Shin'yuu no Furin Aite wa, Otto deshita - Vol. 2 Ch. 15

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a marriage the could be saved by her communicating with her husband
The way he reacts to her ask is a sign to the reader that he has no interest in doing better. It's the classic "nod your head and say ok then make token" attempt to pacify the nagging rather than address the ask. She could communicate all the things to Rei but so far he's been written as a guy who just doesn't care.

imma let you finish, but what is hair milk
Far as I can tell from a quick search, it functions like a lightweight leave-in conditioner that folks mostly use when doing their hair (rather than after a shower with leave-in).
 
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dang, really trying to steal him? Although i wonder how kyouko's husband would react (tho it seems like their marriage is a formality too)

>a cheater calls another cheater to look into a mirror first
Are we in a house of mirror by any chance?

yeah wonder if he'd agree if she was traditionally 'hot'. that said, normally it's pretty harsh but hopefully if it was a single thing you'd be able to turn them down without attacking their looks/personality unless it was something one sided like harassment and not a normal relationship proposition

Give kyouko a spinoff where she gets a proper man (or even woman lol) although i guess a kid would complicate things. Wouldn't mind seeing more of the other girls but given how long this series is i imagine we'll see more of them/maybe a pov switch XD

I'm really happy for you, imma let you finish, but what is hair milk

Well i know there's stuff made with coconut milk but stuff like 'hair masks' and those korean beauty products sound like it's more trouble than it's worth but i've never had hair longer than my shoulder so...(i've also apparently seen ppl saying to wash your hair with like rice water? or even like with eggs). tho the concept of 'dry' shampoo when you don't have time to shower or like traveling seems interesting, i feel like i'd still wanna rinse it out in the sink or so, even with those sheet face masks i end up using a wash cloth to dab it dry after even tho you're supposed to just not touch it (tho 15 mins should be more than enough for it to 'soak'/absorb i really only use it to feel cooler as opposed to thinking it'd necessarily improve my skin lol)

Tho if i somehow ever got a free offer to some salon for like skin and hair treatments i'd prolly try it out once

I don't think Japan has the culture of couples counseling (I dunno that I've ever seen it in a manga) & Rei very much does not seem like the type of guy to agree. His whole relationship with his mother and his mother with Mahoro is all very traditional.

Even with the 'shrink' manga i'm sure a lot of JP and other asian countries still look down on therapy as a concept
 
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feel like i'd still wanna rinse it out in the sink or so
I've got the type of hair that hair milks are made for - I currently use detanging sprays and cremes - and a major use for 'em is to detangle your hair w/o breakage dry (or most dry). Rinsing out would defeat the purpose.
 
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I've got the type of hair that hair milks are made for - I currently use detanging sprays and cremes - and a major use for 'em is to detangle your hair w/o breakage dry (or most dry). Rinsing out would defeat the purpose.

I guess that's good, depends on how used to it you are, i think i shampoo more now that i got older even tho you're not supposed to shampoo daily depending on how oily your hair is or isn't but if i rinse with just water it just feels uncomfortable til i add shampoo tho i keep my hair fairly short so it's not an issue (if i was a guy or less shallow i'd simply just shave it off lol)
 
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ayyy lmao :pepela:

It's very obvious a woman mangaka made this series when they think a major plot point in an affair mystery is a man flexing knowing what hair milk is :kek:

inb4 Rei is secretly a crossdressing femboy and he's the girl running the account and leaving the note in order to mog Mahoro and fuck men :worry:

Joking aside, Kyouko is definitely still suspicious for how much she knew about the affair, like the whole thing with the secret account. I hope that gets resolved, and isn't just Araki'd. :nyoron:

A few personal thoughts to share: I'm quite amazed that almost nobody predicted this outcome, given the manga has, from the very beginning, been playing it super straight, what you see is what you get. I think I recall like 3 or 4 comments from the hundreds that said this is how it would play out (congrats if you're one of the lucky ones!).

Of course, it's really hard to imagine the exact outcome of any story, especially a mystery (I didn't guess this outcome when I read it myself, so I don't get any cookies either). But what stood out to me was how most people were going so far off course with the theories and purposefully avoiding the most basic of interpretations (ie they're simply cheating as presented in the story, which would then lead to the twist of only Kyouko cheating, so you'd have been half right if you just assumed the basic), that I was genuinely somewhat anxious I'd be letting folks down with the very simple conclusion, even though I didn't even write the story and am just translating it lol.

Naturally there is purposeful misdirection to complicate it, but overall the plot has not really veered too far off course from what it has initially presented to the reader, so it's interesting that some really complex theories have formed around it.

Perhaps this is the result of a somewhat unintended demographic reading this. Many people really focused on the mystery angle and drew complex narratives in the comments (totally understandable, who doesn't love to theory craft and try to identify the red herrings/misdirection), while the manga is more of a by-the-books shoujo/josei, and to me it's always been primarily a story about Mahoro's emancipation, not just a cheating mystery (even if that's the hook), so I always took the mystery at face value when I read it and simply put myself in Mahoro's shoes and assumed her worldview.

Another thing is that a lot of stuff is glossed over. Like yeah, this sting operation probably isn't very smart if you analyze it, but the goal of the story is clearly elsewhere so it doesn't bother really making everything perfect, just enough to preserve suspension of disbelief, which in turn makes the scene more spicy like in a TV drama.

Same with the timeline, you don't really see much of Mahoro's life outside of when she's investigating the affair (to the point where some folks even wondered if she worked at all, despite that being established in chapter 1, just not shown). Did you notice several months have passed since the start of the manga? Go back and read it, its mentioned in a throwaway line. We started in November and it's now somewhere around spring/summer. So we're really only shown the very important moments, all the rest of the story is trimmed and downtime abridged. The author has a plot to tell and isn't really concerned with the stuff around it (only to the point of maintaining suspension of disbelief).

Other things are what I suppose I would describe as "male-centeic takes in a female-centric work" for lack of a better expression. This mainly came across with regards to the perception of the male characters in the series.

For example, since chapter 1 some people have been defending or at least presuming Rei's innocence (either that he's not cheating or even that he's actually a nice guy and we're dealing with an unreliable narrator/perspective), whereas the jp audience unanimously called him a piece of shit since chapter 1 and most didn't even assume he wasn't cheating, since there are more signs pointing to it than not like the letter, the first pages of the manga, and the title/synopsis (plus his demeanor/behavior but those can always be misinterpreted).

If you take the story at face value, and especially if you're a woman who has dealt with people like Rei irl (they're... surprisingly more common than you think), that's the conclusion you invariably arrive at. The author, a woman herself, when writing to an audience also comprised mostly of women, clearly wrote Rei with those presuppositions in mind. It's a given that Rei is a bad person because his behaviors are so well known and common among the intended audience that the tidbits Mahoro mentions alone are enough to paint almost the whole picture. But in these comments a lot of people much prefer exploring alternative possibilities and presume Rei's innocence to a certain extent, if not entirely. Not to say who's right or wrong in this story's case (I ain't spoiling), just pointing out the stark difference in perception.

Another difference was the reception of Haruto. I was actually quite shocked so many people didn't like him because, when I first read these chapters, he just seemed like a goofy guy who liked to lighten the mood and was presented as such. Some commenters were even accusing him of taking advantage of Mahoro when all I saw was the two having completely reasonable banter (Mahoro even smacks his hand when he gets too close, clearly consciously establishing boundaries, which he respected). He hasn't pressured her to do anything or tried to put her in any awkward spots, he's just accompanying her and keeping things cool, something she explicitly appreciated because it helped her be more rational and less tense (many people overlooked the fact he dispelled her fears of Rei being in bed with Kyouko, saying Rei is unlikely to rent a suite just to sleep with a woman, so he at least on a surface level has her best interest in mind and is not taking unreasonable positions for personal gain). But hey, different strokes for different folks, if you don't like him that's that.

Though I do wonder if these commenters would react the same way with the genders reversed, considering the sheer volume of manga with horrible, toxic women that are full of "I can fix her/she can ruin me" comments. Not that I am criticizing those series' or comments' existence, just pointing out the polar opposite attitude when it's a man being... Just kinda silly(?) around a woman (it's particularly funny when Haruto is quite ordinary all things considered, unlike more tropey shoujo heros. Being kind to someone is a baseline, not a trait reserved for prince charming only). I don't want to go as far as saying it's insecurity projection, but it is a peculiar shift in views.

I don't really know where I'm going with all these disjointed thoughts, I just wanted to write them down now that we've come to one of the major turning points and I can finally write about some of this stuff without spoilers.

More than anything I'm just fascinated that so many readers had such different experiences and interpretations compared to when I read the manga blind. That in itself isn't unusual because everyone is different, but the stark contrast certainly was a newfound experience for me.

This also demonstrates why shoujo works tends to be isolated in their own bubble. This one crossing that hurdle and being placed in the spotlight among a much broader audience/demographic certainly created a more diverse pool of opinions compared the original release, whose audience was much more consistent in its reception (there was speculation there too, like the all three friends cheating theory, but it followed the story much more closely. I don't think I ever saw comments about this possibly being an intervention on the friends' part, for example). Excluding some of the misogyny I saw, I think that extra clash created a fun discussion environment.

Regardless, hope you'll stick around for the rest of the ride, there's still plenty to uncover!
The reason why people think Haruto is acting like an unlikable fuckboi is because that's exactly how unlikable fuckbois act, even/especially in Japan. They pull every trick in the book to try and flirt with you and take advantage of the situation, and if it ever fails they fall on a "I'm just joking" or do a shoujo moment to make the girl feel better or whatever, and the only people who don't recognize that are the kinds of girls that fall for those kinds of fuckbois. Hell, it's a whole ass character archetype in shoujo mangas, so clearly there's even girls who know what they are and are still attracted to them.

And yes, every man wants a girl that will fuck them up that they can definitely fix (until they can't fix them). It's like how lonely and desperate people are attracted to yanderes.
 

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