Skip and Loafer - Ch. 64 - Steady School Trip, Pt. 2

[MangaDex]

 

[rabidfish]

God, she's so mature and kind... Shima is a lucky guy!

 

[ErikTheRed]

I know its her defense mechanism etc etc, but that doesnt condone her manipulative actions

 

[lolfacesayshi]

The fact that she hasn't had any actual repercussions from her manipulative behaviour.

 

[chusetto]

Misumi is an angel... Sucks to be you, Shima

 

[rabidfish]

I know its her defense mechanism etc etc, but that doesnt condone her manipulative actions

The fact that she hasn't had any actual repercussions from her manipulative behaviour.

has she done something truly evil, tho? it's mean and kind of shitty, but it's not like she manipulated them to get something out of them, it's more like she really doesn't understand how she could ever interact with people in a different way. She got nothing out of that except a momentary feeling of "i won this interaction".

 

[Panino]

People are seeing the person Yasaka pretends to be.
I hope she gets stabbed, throw out of a windows and squished by a car passing by.

 

[Panino]

has she done something truly evil, tho? it's mean and kind of shitty, but it's not like she manipulated them to get something out of them, it's more like she really doesn't understand how she could ever interact with people in a different way. She got nothing out of that except a momentary feeling of "i won this interaction".

But she does know how to interact differently, she is doing this on purpose, for some childish trauma or the other.
She explicitly says she is intentionally manipulating and playing with their feelings to then feign ignorance and accuse them back.


No matter if she only "wants to be loved", what she seeks is false love to then feel "disappointed" when people's "love" of her falters.
That's why she blushed by Mitsumi's behavior, "loving her unconditionally".

 

[ErikTheRed]

has she done something truly evil, tho? it's mean and kind of shitty, but it's not like she manipulated them to get something out of them, it's more like she really doesn't understand how she could ever interact with people in a different way. She got nothing out of that except a momentary feeling of "i won this interaction".

Its not evil and she hasnt gained anything substantial. But knowingly manipulating others to feel better about herself is a shitty thing to do. It may hinder the ability of others to trust in her and others, lead to negative emotions, etc.

 

[skywardgem]

enjoying that Mitsumi is pulling from the "You must have received plenty of love" statement and reaching out to share a bit of that love with Chieri (who even intended that statement to be a bit hurtful!), hope she can start to genuinely believe that there are other ways to interact with the people around her and open up to Mitsumi and the others

 

[rabidfish]

Its not evil and she hasnt gained anything substantial. But knowingly manipulating others to feel better about herself is a shitty thing to do. It may hinder the ability of others to trust in her and others, lead to negative emotions, etc.

it is shitty, yes. i said so too. But we've seen how she thinks of how human interactions work. She sees them as a fight with a "winner" and a "loser". That's deep conditioning. The fact that she KNOWS it's a shitty thing to do doesn't mean she can act any different way. That's why its called conditioning. Doesn't mean she can't be held accountable, but definitely means one should try to understand the situation a bit more so that it can be fixed.

 

[Panino]

it is shitty, yes. i said so too. But we've seen how she thinks of how human interactions work. She sees them as a fight with a "winner" and a "loser". That's deep conditioning. The fact that she KNOWS it's a shitty thing to do doesn't mean she can act any different way. That's why its called conditioning. Doesn't mean she can't be held accountable, but definitely means one should try to understand the situation a bit more so that it can be fixed.

As a reader who can see her thoughts and even flashbacks I say "we" understand "the situation" well enough, and I think we readers are free to despise and expect to see her fall as much as we want.
Sure, the character will be "redeemed" but until she earns her redemption... fock her.

 

[Argon2409]

I know its her defense mechanism etc etc, but that doesnt condone her manipulative actions

To me it reads more like self destructive behavior, self harm, proving to herself that she's always goinf to be cast aside and working to that goal. That's why Mitsumi still accepting her caused that reaction. She saw through the bullshit..

 

[Bananimal]

Poor kids, goes to show the far reaching effects of inadequate parenting. I hope Chieri can start understanding how to create healthier relationships.

 

[PinkSakuraFlower]

Lets also not forget the few panels we see her seeking attention from the man, her father I presume, but being coldly looked down, and her looks being both her weakness and strength and armour; so her emotional perception is very off. There's also that one panel with her with all the physical items as a physical representation that she's liked/loved. I don't know how to properly put into words since I've experinced this before and it's not exactly right or wrong either. Its very complicated.


Also thanks to the translation and scanlation team! Great work as always! Much appreciated!

 

[fulani]

People are seeing the person Yasaka pretends to be.
I hope she gets stabbed, throw out of a windows and squished by a car passing by.

it’s a drawing… be normal

 

[outinthegardener]

Chapter MVP goes to Mitsumi's faces.

->😯->

 

[Suben]

Yasaka is probably second right now to Mika as the most engaging character in the series and I'm far more invested in seeing how things play out between her and Ujiie than I am Mitsumi and Shima.

 

[JKTV]

Of course she has daddy issues

 

[Orenji-kun]

has she done something truly evil, tho? it's mean and kind of shitty, but it's not like she manipulated them to get something out of them, it's more like she really doesn't understand how she could ever interact with people in a different way. She got nothing out of that except a momentary feeling of "i won this interaction".

She did manipulate them to get something out of them: emotional regulation of her low self esteem. She manipulated them to think she was interested in them romantically so they would show her romantic affection in return. She feels unwanted because of the loveless environment of her upbringing, and she copes with it by manipulating as many guys as possible, guys that she doesn't value and doesn't respect, into liking her just to prove to herself that she's loveable. Then when they realized what's going on, she discards them.

She does so with absolutely no regard for the feelings of the guys she's manipulating; she doesn't consider the kind of pain she's causing them when they realize she never liked them let alone respected them and the trust issues she's creating in them around romantic love.

She's narcissistic. She's getting her emotional needs met no matter how many others she has to hurt. She's not "evil" in the cartoon villain sense that she hurts people just for fun, but she's "evil" in the very realistic sense that she doesn't care who she hurts and does what she does to cope with her own pain knowing it will hurt them. I can sympathize with her, but she's still responsible for the pain she's caused.

Edit: Just to clarify, I do not think Yasaka is truly "evil," hence the quotation marks. I'm responding to rabidfish's use of the word and pointing out that what she and other narcissists do doesn't have to be evil with a capital E or done for material gain for it to be doing harm that should be taken seriously. Also, when I say she's still responsible, I don't mean she needs to be held responsible but just that she is still the cause of that harm, whether her reasons are sympathetic or not and whether she is concious of the harm she's doing or not.