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The White Cat's Revenge as Plotted from the Dragon King's Lap - Vol. 2 Ch. 11.4
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@Aretheus and @Qelix Nobles and the church are the same people, they are both institutions that claim to be empowered by a God, and it's one of the more natural methods for controlling the people. Tough guy conquers fertile lands > God granted me these fertile lands therefore I am King > I should be king over there too, god said so > You know what, I've been talking to God a lot, so now I'm Pope too > Pope has dominion over all the believers in the neighboring country too > My Pope-hood was promoted to Lesser God-dom by God > You know what, I was God the whole time, I was just testing your faith. This is just the natural progression for tyrants, watch any post apocalyptic movie, the Mad Max ones have the bad guy at the "I'm God" stage already usually, and Book of Eli had the big bad looking for a bible to legitimize his reign.
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@CountryMage Jesus fucking Christ dude. Between the people that can seriously read every single isekai harem manga and the 12yo that crave blood and tits 24/7, you're probably the most baffling kind of person on this site.
You realize that this is ALL fiction right? None of this is fuçking real. Strange as this may sound, this story didn't actually happen. You could literally write whatever the fuck you want, and nobody could tell you that you're wrong cuz it's your story.
Let's have a society of hyper-intelligent worms that spy on humanity from the ground like big brother. Let's have a world dominated by corrupt magical chefs who refuse meals to anyone who doesn't submit to their iron fist.
If you're a writer, and the only thing you know how to do is ape off of historical realism, you're a crap writer. In fact, It's pretty absurd that you can seriously say that in a world with dragons and fairies, a monotheistic religion actually survived. Wouldn't any normal society start worshiping the dragons?
The use of the big bad evil church and big bad evil nobles is only used because every reader understands it and finds it safe and comfortable. I'd prefer to have my ass blown off by something that I couldn't have possibly seen coming. Both readers and writers of manga are way way way too tucked into their comfort zone, and need to learn to expand their horizons if we're ever going to get a story about corrupt succubi.
You realize that this is ALL fiction right? None of this is fuçking real. Strange as this may sound, this story didn't actually happen. You could literally write whatever the fuck you want, and nobody could tell you that you're wrong cuz it's your story.
Let's have a society of hyper-intelligent worms that spy on humanity from the ground like big brother. Let's have a world dominated by corrupt magical chefs who refuse meals to anyone who doesn't submit to their iron fist.
If you're a writer, and the only thing you know how to do is ape off of historical realism, you're a crap writer. In fact, It's pretty absurd that you can seriously say that in a world with dragons and fairies, a monotheistic religion actually survived. Wouldn't any normal society start worshiping the dragons?
The use of the big bad evil church and big bad evil nobles is only used because every reader understands it and finds it safe and comfortable. I'd prefer to have my ass blown off by something that I couldn't have possibly seen coming. Both readers and writers of manga are way way way too tucked into their comfort zone, and need to learn to expand their horizons if we're ever going to get a story about corrupt succubi.
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Yeah, the only possible solution here is to kill the King/officials/priests and put others reliable person in charge of this country before it fall to ruin.
Basically, it's not something she can do alone, she probably need the help of the dragon king and his army.
Basically, it's not something she can do alone, she probably need the help of the dragon king and his army.
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@CountryMage: I see that chain and it is true, that people like to hide behind gods and stuff. Therefore using a corrupted organized religion as big bad is not illogical, but there are two things that start to rub my the wrong way:
1. If there is a bad church, it's always a religion that dresses up as the catholic church of the dark ages. There are priests, nuns, bishops of some kind and some sort of pope. And all are dressed up in vestments or nun outfits fitting to that theme and they wear fancy hats. Even if they aren't monotheistic, like in this manga they pray to spirits, they still look like the church and they are even called the church. How about calling them the Temple and let them dress up like priests in ancient Greece or Egypt? Polytheistic religions as theme would fit even better. The authors single out the catholic church as base for all corrupt religions, not because for vile or antagonistic reasons, but because people recognize the theme and they don't dare to do something different. Sooooo blaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
2. It's religion and religion and religion allllll over again. People don't turn greedy because of religion, they abuse it! Instead of a >god< in your chain, replace it with >money< and you end up with a different, but similar chain: Tough guy conquers fertile lands > I'm rich now, I buy some grunts and therefore I am King > I should be king over there too, because I'm a good, rich king > You know what, I've been spending (your) tax money a lot, also for public stuff, our economy is thriving and that's not because of your work, but because of me. You should be thanking me >Our My Economy has dominion over all consumers in the neighboring country too ... aso what ever that guy think of next.
And it doesn't have to be a king either. Any, just any person or group of people in/with power are fine as big bad. But nearly without fail, the authors pick a church.
No surprises, no excitement. Just the bad aftertaste of the cookie-cutter approach.
1. If there is a bad church, it's always a religion that dresses up as the catholic church of the dark ages. There are priests, nuns, bishops of some kind and some sort of pope. And all are dressed up in vestments or nun outfits fitting to that theme and they wear fancy hats. Even if they aren't monotheistic, like in this manga they pray to spirits, they still look like the church and they are even called the church. How about calling them the Temple and let them dress up like priests in ancient Greece or Egypt? Polytheistic religions as theme would fit even better. The authors single out the catholic church as base for all corrupt religions, not because for vile or antagonistic reasons, but because people recognize the theme and they don't dare to do something different. Sooooo blaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
2. It's religion and religion and religion allllll over again. People don't turn greedy because of religion, they abuse it! Instead of a >god< in your chain, replace it with >money< and you end up with a different, but similar chain: Tough guy conquers fertile lands > I'm rich now, I buy some grunts and therefore I am King > I should be king over there too, because I'm a good, rich king > You know what, I've been spending (your) tax money a lot, also for public stuff, our economy is thriving and that's not because of your work, but because of me. You should be thanking me >
And it doesn't have to be a king either. Any, just any person or group of people in/with power are fine as big bad. But nearly without fail, the authors pick a church.
No surprises, no excitement. Just the bad aftertaste of the cookie-cutter approach.
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@Qelix I know what you're saying, but it's just a trope in Japanese western-themed stories and really not meant to be offensive on their end. Less than 1% of the Japanese population is Christian (don't even talk about whether they're Catholic or not). The average Japanese story teller has almost no knowledge about (western) religion beyond pop-culture from America (which is also not kind towards Catholics OR Christianity). They have no vested interested in accurately portraying Western religion... they just cherry pick what's useful and easiest to recognize (Catholics).
Keep in mind this comes from a country which chronically takes HUGE liberties with their own native religions (Shinto) in their fantasy stories. And Japan has a long long history of being extremely antagonistic towards outside religious influence (Buddhism suffered and Christianity was wiped out). They aren't like that anymore, but the cultural hold-over is still there.
Keep in mind this comes from a country which chronically takes HUGE liberties with their own native religions (Shinto) in their fantasy stories. And Japan has a long long history of being extremely antagonistic towards outside religious influence (Buddhism suffered and Christianity was wiped out). They aren't like that anymore, but the cultural hold-over is still there.
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@Aretheus As you can see, no dragons have attacked during my reign, I am therefore the chosen of the Dragon God, and shall thenceforth be known as the Great Dragon Emperor, as I liberate (conquer) the rest of the continent. Worm shaped spirits of the Earth, God sent Chef of Divine Flavor, or even Aretheus sent Prophet of the Divine Word ('cause I read your comment, and am distilling it down to the masses), any one of these could end up going down the same path. Seems like every one of your examples amounts to the same thing.
@Qelix the humans don't worship the spirits, since they can't see them, even the priests were baffled when the spirits punished them before. So it's much easier to invent a Great Sky god, that completely agrees with my policies, then to invent some more elaborate, creative, religion. Hell, tell anyone with enough magic power that the lights they are seeing, are just the agents of God/Goddess, and that only by working at the church will they be fulfilling God's purpose for them.
@Qelix the humans don't worship the spirits, since they can't see them, even the priests were baffled when the spirits punished them before. So it's much easier to invent a Great Sky god, that completely agrees with my policies, then to invent some more elaborate, creative, religion. Hell, tell anyone with enough magic power that the lights they are seeing, are just the agents of God/Goddess, and that only by working at the church will they be fulfilling God's purpose for them.
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@CountryMage How witty of you. You can make any story sound boring if you try hard enough. But any one of those settings could have interesting nuances to spice up the story and warrant new and interesting decisions and actions on the part of the protagonist. On the other hand, we have seen literally every iteration of evil religious bastards and fat mustachioed noblemen possible. As well as every single iteration of main characters confronting such.
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I need more. *sobs* even though the trans are quite fast it's still never enough to satisfy my thirst for more. *sobs*
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Heated debates going down over here, yikes,,
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power corrupt, absolute power corrupt absolutely, and no power more absolute than the power of God, of course people who represent God on Earth will always be the most corrupt...
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