Tsuihou Suru Gawa no Monogatari - Vol. 1 Ch. 4 - Raging Dragon Frey

[MangaDex]

 

[Michael_Chandra]

I mean, dude's got a point. If you're going to rampage, do it in a way that doesn't obstruct the others, or just properly fight alongside instead.

 

[Themandem]

Can someone please spoil me. I just want to know how everything ends

 

[Drm186]

OK why is having this toxic dragon lady better than the former supporter, she stronger than him but has bad chemistry with everyone who are even weaker without the supporter, they say they don't want him to die but the way they kicked him out he going to join another party probably not as good as the one yours and still die

 

[MKAZ]

OK why is having this toxic dragon lady better than the former supporter, she stronger than him but has bad chemistry with everyone who are even weaker without the supporter, they say they don't want him to die but the way they kicked him out he going to join another party probably not as good as the one yours and still die

yeah, i think the same too, the reason for expulsion is too weak and too weird to become good story, if it were me i'll just tell him honestly but even better just gave him a choice to stay or not after tell him that.

and if he want to stay tell him to train himself at least until he can defend or avoid damage, rather than just explusion. or add 1 more party member that his/her jobs only to guard him.

maybe the writer just sweep up by "explusion" hype train.

 

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ngl, after checking this manga and also read the comments about the spoiler, it makes my reading experience from painful to really painful

i've read bad titles about banishing someone, but this is the first time that just reading it are painful, it's really unfortunate because the concept is quite interesting, but the author just can't make a proper set-up at all, and i've read about a story that are similiar to this about a guy that got banished but on good term because the MC in that story are weak and his former party doesn't want him to die, there are some misunderstanding on that one as well but it's good, unlike this title, which are just trainwreck bs misunderstanding

edit : now i know the feeling and energy i got from reading this manga after thinking about it for a few moments, it have the same energy as ntr doujins

 

[StealthAria]

OK why is having this toxic dragon lady better than the former supporter, she stronger than him but has bad chemistry with everyone who are even weaker without the supporter, they say they don't want him to die but the way they kicked him out he going to join another party probably not as good as the one yours and still die

Not only is she (Athena, the one that kicked him out) unable to protect him from just offing himself in the dungeon after kicking him out of the party, the party is now so weak without him that they couldn't even go save him should they ever hear he got into trouble. They even knew just how much he contributed to their strength before they kicked him out, so they knew it was going to cripple the party but kicked him out anyway.

 

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Not only is she (Athena, the one that kicked him out) unable to protect him from just offing himself in the dungeon after kicking him out of the party, the party is now so weak without him that they couldn't even go save him should they ever hear he got into trouble. They even knew just how much he contributed to their strength before they kicked him out, so they knew it was going to cripple the party but kicked him out anyway.

If you read the comment from previous chapters about this title spoiler, the characters setup makes what you said even worse, as in the story, not what you said lol

 

[Kaarme]

Yeah, this only reinforces my belief that Frey doesn't really want to join any parties, but she has an external reason for it. I don't know if it's her insurmountable food expenses, but there has to be something. She clearly has zero interest in cooperative fighting. She should be a lone adventurer, who would only fight in a group by coincidence, when it doesn't really matter if she gets along with anyone or not, as it would be only that one instance.

But I guess Athena will try to force Daru and Mirialia to somehow tolerate Frey's presence. Will that really be any better than the old situation with Est, huh? If the atmosphere in the group becomes too poisonous, they will all eventually grow tired of it and go their separate ways.

 

[ciera]

Thank you

 

[Meridis]

OK why is having this toxic dragon lady better than the former supporter, she stronger than him but has bad chemistry with everyone who are even weaker without the supporter, they say they don't want him to die but the way they kicked him out he going to join another party probably not as good as the one yours and still die

yeah, i think the same too, the reason for expulsion is too weak and too weird to become good story, if it were me i'll just tell him honestly but even better just gave him a choice to stay or not after tell him that.

and if he want to stay tell him to train himself at least until he can defend or avoid damage, rather than just explusion. or add 1 more party member that his/her jobs only to guard him.

maybe the writer just sweep up by "explusion" hype train.

It was an issue of potential. Dragon lady doesn't cooperate, but she can learn too. Est wasn't capable of learning to fight, regardless of how much he trained.

Not only is she (Athena, the one that kicked him out) unable to protect him from just offing himself in the dungeon after kicking him out of the party, the party is now so weak without him that they couldn't even go save him should they ever hear he got into trouble. They even knew just how much he contributed to their strength before they kicked him out, so they knew it was going to cripple the party but kicked him out anyway.

It was really just her. The others have experience fighting without him so she's the only one getting the sudden drop. It also just had less of an impact on them or he focused on her more.

 

[cryum]

Est wasn't capable of learning to fight, regardless of how much he trained.

Training Est to use his buffs in non-standard ways like buffing enemies to cause them to overshoot or picking up new tricks and tools would be easier than getting an uncooperative fighter to join up.

The very idea of a "support" character just standing there without even a shield is a thoroughly fantasy trope that doesn't need to exist.

 

[Meridis]

Training Est to use his buffs in non-standard ways like buffing enemies to cause them to overshoot or picking up new tricks and tools would be easier than getting an uncooperative fighter to join up.

The very idea of a "support" character just standing there without even a shield is a thoroughly fantasy trope that doesn't need to exist.

it's a physical characteristic of Est, basically. Handing him a shield or anything wouldn't really help since he can't enhance his own body or mind enough to deal with the monsters movements. Daru also can't use enchantment magic so he has little advice to give on how to use it. He only uses enhancement and healing so even when advising the elf, all he could teach her is better ways of handling mana.

For your specific suggestion, even at a glance it feels like there's more risks than benefits, since it's never suggested that he could turn enchantments on and off at will.

 

[cryum]

it's a physical characteristic of Est, basically. Handing him a shield or anything wouldn't really help since he can't enhance his own body or mind enough to deal with the monsters movements. Daru also can't use enchantment magic so he has little advice to give on how to use it. He only uses enhancement and healing so even when advising the elf, all he could teach her is better ways of handling mana.

For your specific suggestion, even at a glance it feels like there's more risks than benefits, since it's never suggested that he could turn enchantments on and off at will.

There is very little that is more risky than "just stand there undefended, mate". There's dozens of things they could still do compared to, as mentioned above, a really bad breakup and doing nothing to stop a suicide run.

 

[Meridis]

There is very little that is more risky than "just stand there undefended, mate". There's dozens of things they could still do compared to, as mentioned above, a really bad breakup and doing nothing to stop a suicide run.

how does enchanting the monster reduce the risk? I was referring to this idea. It directly makes the situation worse. The suggestion relies on the idea that they would capitalize on the momentary disorientation from suddenly being faster/stronger than expected. Once that passes, everyone is in more danger than before.

As for him just standing there undefended, that's the point of firing him. He can't defend himself and the others can't be dedicated to defending him, so he can't come. That was the better solution. The fact that he responded to that by running into a situation that he's known since childhood he wouldn't survive in is what's absurd.

 

[TestAddress]

Can someone please spoil me. I just want to know how everything ends

They beat the demon lord or something?

 

[XDcute9999]

Establishing a no heirarchy is a nono for a party. there should be a clear leader for the team

 

[Erames]

He basically filled the slot of Healer, Which under the fantasy game Holy Trinity, didn’t have their own combat abilities and weren’t required to protect themselves. Tank, healer, dps, should've just added a tank to grab the aggro and everything would’ve been fine.