We Shall Now Begin Ethics - Vol. 4 Ch. 19 - Two's Journey

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There is so much nuance in this chapter but people are just seeing what they want to see. Like, all those people who were like "I can't wait for the SJWs to be triggered by this," then the same amount of ignorance can be used to claim that this chapter actually proves that you are wrong. I'd be saying that this was a chapter showing exactly why the it is good the times were changing, because two men went on a fun trip together despite gender differences, because in the 21st century, that should be a thing that people be allowed to do. Or that this was an entire chapter dedicated to being like "ok boomer," because as we had seen from the chapter with the abused boy, following his philosophy could have irreparably damaged the kid.

But this chapter isn't like that, and jumping at the chance to say that you have been validated because of this guy may not be the best hill to die on.

My interpretation is that this guy is not necessarily wrong, but he is experiencing difficulties with change and being comfortable with oneself. It is not that people are changing, but that people are becoming more accepting of who they are. For example, there have always been transgender people. This isn't conjecture. Literally a one second google search would find you hundreds of out transgender people in history. But it wasn't until relatively recently, in the past few decades, that people have been open about it. Or, in a less heated example, there have always been people who don't like taking trips. But that's strange, couples should be taking trips together, it is what they do. Then Takayanagi (I don't know if I'm spelling that right anymore, my autocorrect changed it too many times) gives the professor an out by implying that maybe it was just because he didn't go out much as a kid.

But then there are people who feel that they have to stop being themselves to allow these others to be who they are. I want to ask whether you really want attacking people unrelated to you to be part of your identity, but that is simplifying the matter. I've found that many people take comfort in their societal roles. They feel attacked when they are told they don't have to be this way, and that many people aren't. It's like their entire way of life is being invalidated. If they are not this, then what are they? And I feel that. This is why the disappearance of nuance is so dangerous. Many people will feel that by saying "it is okay to not be like this," it can easily be skewed as "you are not allowed to be like this." Conversely, "I am like this" becomes "You are not allowed to be anything but this" (Disclaimer, I know there are people who actually say this. I am not fucking talking about them. Use your loaf a little). And yeah, if you interpret it like that, of course you would feel attacked. I think the difference is whether you are saying something to defend yourself or to attack someone else, which even then has nuance and can be treated on a case by case basis

But at the same time, it is important to notice the implications of what someone says. I will use myself as an example. As much as I am trying to respectfully disagree with comments, I may not see that what I am saying will be commonly interpreted as something else. Fuck, I might sound super passive aggressive or better than thou even though I may not intend to mean it this way. Explanation Point has a good video about Death of the Author and literary analysis that can be applied to this as well. But THAT is another discussion that I will not be having here, since they will probably have a more relevant chapter coming up, and I don't think anyone who will be @ ing me will be willing to read that whole thing. Just do everyone a favor and DM me the insults. Don't need to clutter up the comments section with personal attacks(I feel like after this entire comment, I need to point out that I am being jokingly aggressive now. Just to be clear)
 
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The part at the end, about Takayanagi not trusting himself, really hit home. Great chapter but in a very different way than the ones up till now.
 
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That was such a journey. Also thank you for such an accurate translation, you guys are the bridge between such japanese lovely creations and my european brain
 
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This is such a beautiful journey and chapter. I can't express it well, but it makes me warm. I love their conversations and how they act. They're such a great duo despite the differences. The professor might piss of some people but man, he's amusing.
The part where professor said Takayanagi doesn't trust himself hurts. I feel like I understand him slightly better now.
Not to mention we get to see Takayanagi being way too handsome. Bare chest, new hairstyle...!!! *COUGHS* Okay I'll stop.
Thank you so much for the translation.
 
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Because girls bear the brunt of sexual assaults in the world (outside of prisons anyway). And we've already seen cases of bad actors dressing up as women to gain access to women-only spaces for nefarious purposes. The point isn't to say all transgender people are pedophiles. Obviously they aren't. But keeping female spaces female will prevent a certain amount of sexual assaults each year. At the very least there should be some kind of threshold to be met to gain admittance beyond simply saying "I'm a woman!" to enter, AND at some point the preferences of the majority of users of said locker rooms etc., should also have a say in who gains admittance. The trade-off for preventing those sexual assaults is transgender people don't get full access showers, locker rooms, etc. Reasonable people can disagree, or find other solutions.

And yes, it's "discriminatory," just like having separate men and women's bathing facilities is already discriminatory. The question is whether it's useful discrimination, whether it's in society's interest. You might as well make the argument that banning men from showering with pre-teen girls in public locker rooms is akin to claiming all men are perverts.

As far as who makes the rules, well for starters, don't you think women should determine who can enter women's spaces? And yes, tying 'womanhood' to birth-giving - ie to having things like a vagina, uterus, ovaries, etc., is absolutely necessary because that what the word woman means: An adult human female.

If you're a man who wants to live life as a woman, great - you do you. Wear your dresses, put on your makeup. But you're still a male living like a female, because we have definitions for how to identify the 'female' of a species (hint: in mammals it has to do with reproductive organs). We know that humans are male and female just like we know that dogs, cats, horses, cows, monkeys, etc., are male or female. And "girl" is the term for a young human female, and "woman" the term for an adult human female.

Wishing you were something different doesn't make it so, and yes, society should absolutely push back on any trend that defies common sense.
 
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Imagine that what we see normal and what we do everyday nowadays is seen as abhorrent in the future
 
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so glad i decided to read this thread, so that i could block two more people. what a great haul. trans women are real women, fuck off boomers

also reducing the definition of a woman to fertility is disgusting and explicitly anti-feminist, many cisgendered women can't give birth but you can't deny them their womanhood. again, go fuck yourself, boomers
 
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The liberals of today are the boomers of tomorrow
But seriously, this chapter felt like reading a japanese novel rather than a manga, it had a completely different vibe to it.

Also, love that pfp @nerevars. Botan best girl of the world!
 
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This was a good chapter. Pretty funny watching people in the comments misinterpret it as hard as they possibly can in order to make sure everything they read coincides with their world views.
 

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