Genjitsushugi Yuusha no Oukoku Saikenki - Vol. 4 Ch. 17 - The Battle at the Outskirts of Randel

[Yautja]

@Nep
Ha no tag, run away little one; figures you wouldn't have the balls to tag me. It's always the same thing, giving up on actually arguing your bullshit so you try and get the last word by not tagging; inb4 the "i forgot" excuse.

These quotes below prove that you have no idea what I am talking about or convey, which is about why George is known as a genius. < Please read this carefully. I never said he IS a genius and I am not playing with words.

If you could read, never did I say you did think he is in any of those quotes. You're just quoting random shit to make it look like you've made a point against all of them and to add volume to your bullshit response. Another example of #3 You think writing more is saying more.

All the above quotes are the ones that tell me that you have no idea what I am trying to say. Most of them are not even worth replying to considering half of it is you ranting about me otherwise agreeing with you in a real life perspective before providing examples for the in-universe perspective.

Or more likely you have no response because you either don't understand or cannot conjure a sufficiently confusing bullshit answer as you've done up until now. You haven't responded to any of those quotes, reasoned as to why they're wrong and again prove you do not know what the word "agree" means.

A military leader is a ruler. A Duke is a ruler. A King is a ruler. A Teacher is also kind of a ruler. Funny how they have different job scopes. Here you are asking a military leader whose job is to tell his soldiers where to go and not die, to know and make battle plans in a checkmated situation that has absolutely zero detrimental side effect in running a country. Congratulations. Your employees must really hate you.

Oh look, one of those funny contradictions. Good job admitting you're wrong. Here, I'll actually properly use a quote and show you.
You: "Do you know who George is? He is a Military Commander. Not a ruler. "
Also You: "Irrelevant. The Dragon Duke was a Duke too but he was even more retarded. They are only 'Dukes' to 'balance military power' and is not a Duke in deed. No one called him genius Duke either. In other words, he is still strictly a Military Commander in every way. "
Also You: "A military leader is a ruler. A Duke is a ruler. A King is a ruler. A Teacher is also kind of a ruler. Funny how they have different job scopes. Here you are asking a military leader whose job is to tell his soldiers where to go and not die, to know and make battle plans in a checkmated situation that has absolutely zero detrimental side effect in running a country. Congratulations. Your employees must really hate you."

What do those three quotes have in common? They're all you trying to bullshit what a ruler is. The first one is you being simply wrong and saying a Duke, and more specifically, these dukes are not a rulers. The second is you trying to deflect when I define the word ruler and duke, and explain how they and even a military leader is a ruler, and the third is you trying to retcon your opinion and pretend you've not been arguing the exact opposite up until this point and exaggerate and straw-man in effort to somehow discredit or discount what I've said; simple definitions of words. Then you try and play off the scope of their rule as if that all changes what a ruler is or is relevant to what I said. See, that's how you respond to a quote of a person. Actually stay on fucking topic, and respond to the quote.

I'd say that its a writing to show culture difference and reasoned irrationality. Also, I didn't say real standards. I said READER standards. There is a difference but apparently you can't see it as

No, there isn't. It's the same fuckin difference, real standards are the reader standards. Anyways, your justification makes zero sense and just reek of you trying to bullshit your way out of a corner. Please define real or reader standards and point to any person that says not to use them, because as far what you've said, that translates to "don't use common sense". Saying "civil war is a bad idea when you have 20 different issues going on in the country and your goal is to help the country, and only an idiot would elect for a civil war" isn't a moral judgement, it's pure and simple logic. Those "standards" are universal and apply to any time frame. There could be a rationalized irrational justification but we sure as hell haven't been given one.

Have you read Chinese war stories? They start civil wars on a daily basis for lulz. I'd say that you are underestimating human stupidity. You'd agree and say I'm stupid. But all that is irrelevant because no, the stupidest citizens in that world would not realize that a civil war is a terrible idea or even care that much about it for that matter. Maybe is America. This isn't America.

False equivalence. Historical wars as a pass-time is not at all comparable to a failing country trying to maintain itself. The best comparison you could make is to Nazi Germany, but even that is a bad comparison all things considered. And no, you again simply just make stupid comments with no thought, most commoners realize the negative impacts war has on them, food and labour shortages, crime, money costs, etc. Fortunately, I doubt it's possible for a majority or even significant minority to be as sufficiently stupid as you.

You forgot to account for poison testers and bodyguards that could buy enough time for the many nobles to run and hide. Now you have an even worse civil war brewing along with the King having a reputation for assassination less than a year since he took the crown. The rot within the Kingdom continues to fester quietly and out of sight, causing many problems to sprout out in the future, if the Kingdom even lasts that long in the coming war. Mission failed.

Oh my god, you cannot pick a side on the stupid spectrum, it's either too much detail or too little. You must have been that kid that when playing superhero said "my strength is your strength+1". The level of petty and pedantic is astonishing. The point of those spitball ideas is to prove there are better options than a civil fucking war that are much easier to achieve.

So now we have several escaped convict who leak secrets to the enemy nation, a tyrant King that the people and subjects (like the idiot Dragon) have no faith in, there would be even more problems in making new policies, an enemy nation building up more military strength for a counter attack, and an even worse civil war at God knows when. I mean. Those are all as solvable as a staged civil war but sure, whats more country ending disasters on the pile right? Sure your plan COULD work but you fk the details right? You are the genius after all.

Almost like this is genuinely irrelevant to what you quoted and were originally defending. This in no way makes the point you were the one defending the idea that there were multiple serious issues going on in the country and how a civil war could impact them. Another example of you coopting my position. It's impressive how many bullshit assumptions you can cram into a paragraph.

Holy shit. Are you reading the wrong story? He is considered a genius BEFORE. Nobody is saying he is a genius AFTER. Also he was already locked in a civil war since chapter 1. I think you have dyslexia considering the fact that you conveniently ignore my explanations or turn my details around.

A genius isn't a title that is given or taken you fucking inbred potato. A genius is a state of being, like down-syndrome. You don't gain it or lose it. Semantics aside, the point is, a genius wouldn't make these kinds of decisions. And "ignore your explanations" ha, I've quoted and responded to every bullshit thing you've said.

Starting a civil war should be a stupid decision but the other option is to risk an even worse civil war and while not solving several festering problems. On the other hand, if you start the civil war yourself, you could control it to make it less devastating. Of course you could ALSO fail but that wouldn't be any worse than the other option. What about the no civil war option? It never existed in the first place. He had to gather the nobles by sending out 'invites'. The only way to gather them is to announce that he is on their side. That itself already means he is a rebel. He obviously can't deal with all of them at the same time inside his own city (poison/assassination/etc is too risky and would likely end in failure) so he needs someone to do it for him. Then there is also the law where being corrupted don't get you killed but rebelling would.

False dichotomy. The decisions made were purely for how it'd impact the story and reading experience, not because it was they were the most logical decisions. Don't even need to say more than that.

Also, the only one "no u" ing here is you. You simply go "You are a delusional retard hahahaha" without even properly understanding what people is trying to say and half my replies were simply courtesy. Your flawed plan reply is one evidence of such actions. The only reason why you think I am stealing your ideas is because they are the best pieces of example to use for the person who used it in the first place (like the 20 problems) to prove my point. There is no sense in changing stages to confuse the evidently confused person even more (You thinking I am disagreeing with you proves it).

Oh look, the "no u" again. What a fantastic straw-man and literal example of you doing exactly what I said you were doing. In each of my responses there has been at least one instance of me pointing out you attempting to steal, co-opt or retcon your position. You pretending otherwise when you've said antithetical bullshit sure helps illustrate you inconsistency and hypocrisy.

Ever heard of Liu Bei? He is known as an ideal benevolent, humane ruler. This is also the guy who threw his infant son to the ground and said that his wives are like clothes that can be thrown away. Does that sound benevolent to you? Of course not. He is known as benevolent because ancient community reasons. Its stupid. I agree its stupid. Yet this is how it is and Liu Bei even has a nice statue somewhere. I can even tell you WHY he is called benevolent as I wave a middle finger at this child abusing arse. It's mostly history and its 'romanced version' is also one of the most popular stories in China.

Non-sequitur. Not at all relevant to what you quoted, in any sense.

What about Harry Potter? Four houses going against each other, paint one as evil so that they really do become evil. Stupid castle with death traps, three headed dogs and whatever incidents every fking year and many many more stupid problems that would make this even longer with little to no public repercussions. The culprit for at least half of them is the Supreme Mugwump Dumbass door who has one of the highest positions in the Wizarding World. This showed a dumbass neglectful society. All in all, the story also makes no fking sense but Harry Potter is one of the best-selling book series in the world.

Same as above. You're just typing random vaguely similar shit to make it seem like you have more of a point than you do.

There is even one similar "stupidity"(calling people x when they are not x) in a certified historical part of a "bible" (religion not stated) that is purely human interaction and has no "Gods"(like splitting the ocean or w/e) involved. Mentioning it word for word would involve getting the living shit beaten out of you or organ donation. And that is as far as I will go with this because I don't want to die even though that would make this a lousy example.

Of course, got to make yourself seem like an enlightened atheist. Yet again, not relevant.

Now we go back to George. Here I am telling you WHY he is known as a genius in universe. Sure the author wrote it that way. The author also had to construct an entire world with its own community, tradition, values and intellect. If the author makes the world acknowledge George as a genius then that is the intellect level of the Wifi-less world involved. Are his future civil war actions stupid? YES! YES! It is quite fking stupid (realism). Now go back to this dumb fking ass world intellect, knowledge, future predictions, and all that shit and take a second look. What I see now is that, no, it is not that stupid in universe considering all available information given to George at that point in time and the situation he was already in at that point in time especially when compared to the rest of the fictional society. George being an idiot in real life doesn't fking matter because his "Genius" tag is justified. That is why I said reality in this case is not real life (when it comes to the definition of delusion). The characters in the story call him a genius, he has to be a genius by THEIR standards and reality.

Again, the answer is simple. He is not a genius because their standards of what constitutes a genius are so low or it makes sense in the context of the story, but because the author contrived it. The proof to this is the fact that he's kept around after all his plans play out. If Soma, a person from modern times, actually had a brain and wasn't contrived to act the way he does, he'd realize "this guy is a fucking idiot of no use to me" and would elect to not keep him around, least of all in a powerful position. Being in medieval or fantasy times generally means uneducated or less knowledgeable on fundamental facts of the universe, physics, biology, etc, not fucking retarded or stupid. And you don't need physics or biology or and education beyond reading comprehension to realize any of this. Correlation != Causation.

This comes from my FIRST reply to you.

If you STILL have no idea what I am trying to say then you are just an idiot and if EVERYBODY doesn't know what I am trying to say (which I doubt) then I will blame it on my then certified atrocious explaining skills.

Good day, I have games to play and less one-track minded people to talk to. Talking with someone who is really talking about something else is stupid. Doubly stupid when said person thinks I am 100% disagreeing with him despite me saying that its not the case from the very start.

Again, I do know what you're trying to say, I just think you don't know what you're trying to say or what you're responding to. I'm using disagree or agree as a binary; you disagree. You stealing my positions, words and beliefs do not change that. You not-so-carefully trying to avoid saying what you actually believe by saying stupid shit like "they believe" or "in their world" or something to that affect to disassociate and avoid plastering yourself to your and the story's patently stupid ideas, characters, story and actions, do not change that. You blabbering fallacy after fallacy, lie after lie, retcon after recton, do not change that.

Instead of playing games all day, go see a doctor and get prescribed some risperidone or something, you clearly fucking need it.

 

[Nep]

@yautja

Tag? What tag?

Typing this on my phone in the.middle.of the night because mosquitos so I will just quote this

A genius isn't a title that is given or taken you fucking inbred potato. A genius is a state of being, like down-syndrome. You don't gain it or lose it. Semantics aside, the point is, a genius wouldn't make these kinds of decisions. And "ignore your explanations" ha, I've quoted and responded to every bullshit thing you've said.

Nope. You quoted and responded to my replies while attempting to change my context or meaning just like

You not-so-carefully trying to avoid saying what you actually believe by saying stupid shit like "they believe" or "in their world" or something to that affect to disassociate and avoid plastering yourself to your and the story's patently stupid ideas

Funny thing is I never called him a genius.
Not even once.

Also, all the story examples I have are completely relevant.

Liu Bei is called benevolent when he isn't because people think he is.

Similarly, George is called a genius when he isn't because the people think he is. This is why I keep going 'by their standards' 'by their perspective'. Yes the author made it that way but the setting is also one where the people have never gone to school and the ones that do get comparatively shitty education. By these standards, he is a genius, something you have failed to prove to me otherwise by highlighting everything and calling him a retard under modern standards, which is something I agreed to in the first place.





All of my arguments have been about this but you simply go.

If I stopped being myself I'd be doing the same thing as everyone else, ignoring your delusional ramblings.

While conveniently twisting my explanations to make yourself look smart. You are a complete failure at arguments.
It's clear you are either dumb or just trolling since my argument has always been about whether the literal uneducated masses has any right thinking George as a genius.

Just for good measure.

Or more likely you have no response because you either don't understand or cannot conjure a sufficiently confusing bullshit answer as you've done up until now. You haven't responded to any of those quotes, reasoned as to why they're wrong and again prove you do not know what the word "agree" means.

There is no meaning in pointing out to you for the umpteenth time that I don't disagree with you that George is realistically an idiot in modern society. You calling me a retard for agreeing with you in a discussion where I specifically tell you that I agreed with you from the start is retarded at best and therefore completely irrelevant to the ongoing discussion.

Oh my god, you cannot pick a side on the stupid spectrum, it's either too much detail or too little. You must have been that kid that when playing superhero said "my strength is your strength+1". The level of petty and pedantic is astonishing. The point of those spitball ideas is to prove there are better options than a civil fucking war that are much easier to achieve.

.Almost like this is genuinely irrelevant to what you quoted and were originally defending. This in no way makes the point you were the one defending the idea that there were multiple serious issues going on in the country and how a civil war could impact them. Another example of you coopting my position. It's impressive how many bullshit assumptions you can cram into a paragraph.

Oh no. That quote is about how your genius plans would make everything even worse than starting a civil war. You could solve nothing while making everything worse. I am not saying that starting a civil war is good. I am saying it may be the best available option. I invited you to think of a method because I couldn't find a more feasible one given the available information limited to George. your method failed and so I continue to believe that starting a civil war could have been the only option the man could take. In other words it's about how you failed to 'attack' my point. But it is just like you to split my one point into two so that you feel like a genius.

. Again, the answer is simple. He is not a genius because their standards of what constitutes a genius are so low or it makes sense in the context of the story, but because the author contrived it. The proof to this is the fact that he's kept around after all his plans play out. If Soma, a person from modern times, actually had a brain and wasn't contrived to act the way he does, he'd realize "this guy is a fucking idiot of no use to me" and would elect to not keep him around, least of all in a powerful position. Being in medieval or fantasy times generally means uneducated or less knowledgeable on fundamental facts of the universe, physics, biology, etc, not fucking retarded or stupid. And you don't need physics or biology or and education beyond reading comprehension to realize any of this. Correlation != Causation.

This is by far the most relevant and informative response you have given to the discussion. Unfortunately your proof sucks simply because George is not kept in a powerful position and the man is his wife's godfather. George gets 'executed' and becomes a spy whose job is to look for information and not take any independent action. This is hardly a powerful position. Then you also did not account for human relations that is Liscia. Your reply proves that you are only here to troll and make yourself feel smart.

Being uneducated can also lead to such stupidity. You wouldn't know because you live a privileged life. What's common sense to you wouldn't be common sense to them. Suicide bombers are an extreme example.

No, there isn't. It's the same fuckin difference, real standards are the reader standards. Anyways, your justification makes zero sense and just reek of you trying to bullshit your way out of a corner. Please define real or reader standards and point to any person that says not to use them, because as far what you've said, that translates to "don't use common sense". Saying "civil war is a bad idea when you have 20 different issues going on in the country and your goal is to help the country, and only an idiot would elect for a civil war" isn't a moral judgement, it's pure and simple logic. Those "standards" are universal and apply to any time frame. There could be a rationalized irrational justification but we sure as hell haven't been given one.

Reader standards basically what a reader knows which is a lot more than the characters. Real standards basically means reasonable standards in justification to the setting. Civil war is a bad idea but when there are no better choices, it becomes a good idea because it is controlled. I am still waiting for a feasible better choice.

False equivalence. Historical wars as a pass-time is not at all comparable to a failing country trying to maintain itself. The best comparison you could make is to Nazi Germany, but even that is a bad comparison all things considered. And no, you again simply just make stupid comments with no thought, most commoners realize the negative impacts war has on them, food and labour shortages, crime, money costs, etc. Fortunately, I doubt it's possible for a majority or even significant minority to be as sufficiently stupid as you.

Again another half true statement. They would 'know' its bad but not a complete realization. They would not do anything even if a civil war started unless they started dying from starvation. The common masses are as powerless as ants throughout their lives and their natural reaction to war is pretty much 'Oh, we are at it again. Boo hoo.' If I was a leader, I would occasionally exploit this mindset to make questionable decisions. Basically if there is a scale on why you shouldn't start a civil war, civil unrest wouldn't be on it. Basically all that is for this

. Still not the only problem. Public resentment against either side, tribalism, etc. You also know precious little of what you speak of if you think keeping shit under wraps solves most or any of the problems I complained about.

There wouldn't be one. Even if there is one, it wouldn't be to the King.

Oh look, one of those funny contradictions. Good job admitting you're wrong. Here, I'll actually properly use a quote and show you.
You: "Do you know who George is? He is a Military Commander. Not a ruler. "
Also You: "Irrelevant. The Dragon Duke was a Duke too but he was even more retarded. They are only 'Dukes' to 'balance military power' and is not a Duke in deed. No one called him genius Duke either. In other words, he is still strictly a Military Commander in every way. "
Also You: "A military leader is a ruler. A Duke is a ruler. A King is a ruler. A Teacher is also kind of a ruler. Funny how they have different job scopes. Here you are asking a military leader whose job is to tell his soldiers where to go and not die, to know and make battle plans in a checkmated situation that has absolutely zero detrimental side effect in running a country. Congratulations. Your employees must really hate you."

What do those three quotes have in common? They're all you trying to bullshit what a ruler is. The first one is you being simply wrong and saying a Duke, and more specifically, these dukes are not a rulers. The second is you trying to deflect when I define the word ruler and duke, and explain how they and even a military leader is a ruler, and the third is you trying to retcon your opinion and pretend you've not been arguing the exact opposite up until this point and exaggerate and straw-man in effort to somehow discredit or discount what I've said; simple definitions of words. Then you try and play off the scope of their rule as if that all changes what a ruler is or is relevant to what I said. See, that's how you respond to a quote of a person. Actually stay on fucking topic, and respond to the quote

So you would prefer to conveniently ignore the fact that George shouldn't even know the disadvantages of his actions to an actual ruler.
I pointed out that he is a Military Commander who shouldn't and he is never called a genius for any of those reasons except in the art of killing stuff. You said he is a Duke who should know. I pointed out that he is not a real Duke and shouldn't. Now you are talking about how I bullshit what a ruler is. Its really nice how you keep trying to divert the topic from what George would know and what is expected of him to an English lesson.

If you could read, never did I say you did think he is in any of those quotes. You're just quoting random shit to make it look like you've made a point against all of them and to add volume to your bullshit response. Another example of #3 You think writing more is saying more.

If you could even read what you are saying, you would find yourself calling people retarded for agreeing with you on points where we think George is retarded or that the story is bad considering the fact that we are in a 'debate' with me on the 'opposite side'. That is not the case and I had to point that out word for word because you are dumb and that line of discussion had been resurrected by you more times than I could remember.

The decisions made were purely for how it'd impact the story and reading experience, not because it was they were the most logical decisions. Don't even need to say more than that.

Still waiting for a more logical and possible decision. Just so you know, your poison/assassination stunt WOULDN'T work because that would be like the favourite pastime of anyone known as a corrupted noble and that is not even counting the downsides of the plan succeeding.

The proof to this is the fact that he's kept around after all his plans play out. If Soma, a person from modern times, actually had a brain and wasn't contrived to act the way he does, he'd realize "this guy is a fucking idiot of no use to me" and would elect to not keep him around, least of all in a powerful position.

This quote is enough to prove that your information and reasoning is skewed. Which means you are here just for random trolling or to feel smart. I feel extremely sorry for you and I would accompany you even more but my weekends are precious because I have to deal with your level of idiocy every other day of the week. Quite frankly, its tiring. You can think I am running away. It doesn't matter because you are retarded like the Amidonian King. Anybody with half a brain could tell you why you are stupid.

 

[Yautja]

@Nep
Yea, bullshit. Just because you're an idiot, doesn't mean you're good at playing stupid. You're going to tag everytime and just magically forget once. Run away.

Nope. You quoted and responded to my replies while attempting to change my context or meaning just like

Oh look, another response that's entirely irrelevant to what you quoted.

Funny thing is I never called him a genius.
Not even once.

Literally never said you did.

Also, all the story examples I have are completely relevant.

Liu Bei is called benevolent when he isn't because people think he is.

Similarly, George is called a genius when he isn't because the people think he is. This is why I keep going 'by their standards' 'by their perspective'. Yes the author made it that way but the setting is also one where the people have never gone to school and the ones that do get comparatively shitty education. By these standards, he is a genius, something you have failed to prove to me otherwise by highlighting everything and calling him a retard under modern standards, which is something I agreed to in the first place.

"No u" again. Try harder. There's a difference between perception and actual state of being. Someone can be perceived as good or smart. Someone can be good or smart. Garfield is portrayed as smart, not perceived as such. Another great, and by great I mean awful, straw-man of what I said. I, again, literally specified school was irrelevant. Here: "Being in medieval or fantasy times generally means uneducated or less knowledgeable on fundamental facts of the universe, physics, biology, etc, not fucking retarded or stupid. And you don't need physics or biology or and education beyond reading comprehension to realize any of this. Correlation != Causation."

While conveniently twisting my explanations to make yourself look smart. You are a complete failure at arguments.
It's clear you are either dumb or just trolling since my argument has always been about whether the literal uneducated masses has any right thinking George as a genius.

I don't need to twist your ramblings to appear smart or correct. You've done that plenty well on your own.

There is no meaning in pointing out to you for the umpteenth time that I don't disagree with you that George is realistically an idiot in modern society. You calling me a retard for agreeing with you in a discussion where I specifically tell you that I agreed with you from the start is retarded at best and therefore completely irrelevant to the ongoing discussion.

That must mean there's also no meaning in me pointing out you do disagree with me fundamentally and not just on a specific point of my position, you freeze dried sock. I never said you agreed with, I specified the exact opposite. I've said multiple times, he's not a genius, by any standards and that I disagree with literally everything you've said sans the shit you've stolen from me.

Oh no. That quote is about how your genius plans would make everything even worse than starting a civil war. You could solve nothing while making everything worse. I am not saying that starting a civil war is good. I am saying it may be the best available option. I invited you to think of a method because I couldn't find a more feasible one given the available information limited to George. your method failed and so I continue to believe that starting a civil war could have been the only option the man could take. In other words it's about how you failed to 'attack' my point. But it is just like you to split my one point into two so that you feel like a genius.

Oh look, more pedantics. And I'm saying, you're wrong. That's there's a million other ways to solve these issues that don't involve a civil war. You didn't invite shit, you asked a question you were going to disagree with no matter than answer. You really have an impressive inferiority complex.

This is by far the most relevant and informative response you have given to the discussion. Unfortunately your proof sucks simply because George is not kept in a powerful position and the man is his wife's godfather. George gets 'executed' and becomes a spy whose job is to look for information and not take any independent action. This is hardly a powerful position. Then you also did not account for human relations that is Liscia. Your reply proves that you are only here to troll and make yourself feel smart.

Being uneducated can also lead to such stupidity. You wouldn't know because you live a privileged life. What's common sense to you wouldn't be common sense to them. Suicide bombers are an extreme example.

Yea, spy, totally irrelevant, totally weak with no power when a guy supposedly executed by the king is in a position of information and could royally fuck everyone over by being discovered. Familial ties aren't a good enough excuse to keep weaponized stupidity alive. I'm sensing projection here.

Reader standards basically what a reader knows which is a lot more than the characters. Real standards basically means reasonable standards in justification to the setting. Civil war is a bad idea but when there are no better choices, it becomes a good idea because it is controlled. I am still waiting for a feasible better choice

Yes, because standards are knowledge, that makes so much sense. Except there are better choices, your head is just too far up your ass to see them. No, you're not, you're looking for validation. You've already decided you won't accept any other answer.

Again another half true statement. They would 'know' its bad but not a complete realization. They would not do anything even if a civil war started unless they started dying from starvation. The common masses are as powerless as ants throughout their lives and their natural reaction to war is pretty much 'Oh, we are at it again. Boo hoo.' If I was a leader, I would occasionally exploit this mindset to make questionable decisions. Basically if there is a scale on why you shouldn't start a civil war, civil unrest wouldn't be on it. Basically all that is for this

Oh bullshit. I'd ask for proof or reasoning but that ship has sailed. Someone clearly failed history. Oh look, a bonafide fucking sociopath. Good to know I'm not just arguing with an idiot, but a someone who's genuinely mentally ill and has delusions of grandeur.

There wouldn't be one. Even if there is one, it wouldn't be to the King.

Resentment isn't a singular object and that's not how things work sweetie. There's always sides, always tribes and always someone for another group to be mad at.

So you would prefer to conveniently ignore the fact that George shouldn't even know the disadvantages of his actions to an actual ruler.
I pointed out that he is a Military Commander who shouldn't and he is never called a genius for any of those reasons except in the art of killing stuff. You said he is a Duke who should know. I pointed out that he is not a real Duke and shouldn't. Now you are talking about how I bullshit what a ruler is. Its really nice how you keep trying to divert the topic from what George would know and what is expected of him to an English lesson.

No because that's literally the opposite of what's true or should be true for a supposed genius and born and raised ruler and military commander and servant to a king. Oh look, more stupid. Already explained this. Go back to year one, you've failed. No, you said he's not a ruler. And he sure seems like a real duke, especially considering everyone in the story calls him and his fellow dukes, dukes. I thought we weren't suppose to judge fictional books by real standards, you flaming hypocrite. Because you did, already quoted it. Back to year one. Oh look, more hypocrisy to end things.

If you could even read what you are saying, you would find yourself calling people retarded for agreeing with you on points where we think George is retarded or that the story is bad considering the fact that we are in a 'debate' with me on the 'opposite side'. That is not the case and I had to point that out word for word because you are dumb and that line of discussion had been resurrected by you more times than I could remember.

Another "no u". Also a straw-man. Didn't call you a retard for agreeing with me, because you don't, but for a great many other things. Such as numerous fallacies, completely irrelevant quotes and responses, patently stupid and illogical arguments, failure in reading comprehension and more. No, not a debate, more of a me telling you why you're an idiot. Perhaps I have to explain what binary means to you.

Still waiting for a more logical and possible decision. Just so you know, your poison/assassination stunt WOULDN'T work because that would be like the favourite pastime of anyone known as a corrupted noble and that is not even counting the downsides of the plan succeeding.

No, you're not. You're just waiting for me to give up. Again, I'd ask for proof or reasoning, but that ship has sailed. Considering he has literal foresight, and those are just basic as possible templates to be fleshed out into a full plan, somehow I doubt your deduction that these are somehow more difficult than a literal civil war.

This quote is enough to prove that your information and reasoning is skewed. Which means you are here just for random trolling or to feel smart. I feel extremely sorry for you and I would accompany you even more but my weekends are precious because I have to deal with your level of idiocy every other day of the week. Quite frankly, its tiring. You can think I am running away. It doesn't matter because you are retarded like the Amidonian King. Anybody with half a brain could tell you why you are stupid.

"No u". Probably should teach you what irony and hypocrisy is, 12 words? Or 13? Can't remember. I love it when retards project and try and pretend they couldn't be wrong and the other person must be trolling. You'd make kronix blush. Shot yourself in the foot there; that last sentence sure explains why you think I'm stupid; I wonder who's going to get to use the Nep family brain cell tomorrow.

I find it truly hilarious how literally all your insults and half your positions come from plagiarisms of me and how mind numbingly ironic it is as nothing you've said has been grounded with reasoning. At least I provide backing for my insults or positions, you just go "no u" and make assertions by stating ridiculously stupid shit like "you no can use real standards" or "cuz book says so and context in book right". I wonder how many years it'll take for you to finish mitosis and become a real boy.

 

[Nep]

@Yautja

Wow so retarded I had to reply.

There's a difference between perception and actual state of being.

Garfield is portrayed as smart, not perceived as such

You got this backwards. He is perceived as smart, not portrayed as smart.

Perceive- interpret or regard (someone or something) in a particular way.

The characters in the story regard him as a genius. The author did NOT portray him as a genius.

Yea, spy, totally irrelevant, totally weak with no power when a guy supposedly executed by the king is in a position of information and could royally fuck everyone over by being discovered. Familial ties aren't a good enough excuse to keep weaponized stupidity alive. I'm sensing projection here.

Trying to divert attention away from your stupidity again.

Again, the answer is simple. He is not a genius because their standards of what constitutes a genius are so low or it makes sense in the context of the story, but because the author contrived it. The proof to this is the fact that he's kept around after all his plans play out. If Soma, a person from modern times, actually had a brain and wasn't contrived to act the way he does, he'd realize "this guy is a fucking idiot of no use to me" and would elect to not keep him around, least of all in a powerful position. Being in medieval or fantasy times generally means uneducated or less knowledgeable on fundamental facts of the universe, physics, biology, etc, not fucking retarded or stupid. And you don't need physics or biology or and education beyond reading comprehension to realize any of this. Correlation != Causation.

A spy is by no means a powerful position. He cannot make any decisions. He CAN royally fuck everyone over by being discovered but so can every other spy. Difference here is that he is at least loyal enough to commit suicide. Also familial reasons being a stupid excuse? Are you saying you would kill your girlfriend's father if he is that stupid without any hesitation? You conveniently ignore all of these factors that would involve the final decision. Even if you WOULDN'T make such decisions because you are a dedicated King, these are all things a normal human would consider and these would affect their decision. This is enough to show that your 'proof' won't sell. Also, calling this totally irrelevant and completely ignoring basic human psychology and that your proof is an utter failure is a very great 'no u' which you claim I am doing. Hypocrisy at its finest.

make assertions by stating ridiculously stupid shit like "you no can use real standards"

Considering the fact I am talking about their point of view, in a world with limited knowledge, using modern reader's knowledge is a surefire way to get the wrong perception on things. But this is forgivable since you don't even know what perceive it.

Go expand your knowledge in various fields before saying stupid shit like killing your girlfriend's godfather. I have honestly never met a dumber person on the internet.

Your cred is 0. Good day sir. While you are at, please send my condolences to your parents and your spouse's parents if you have one.

 

[Yautja]

@Nep

Wow so retarded I had to reply.

You really like trying to be me. I smell projection. And irony. And plagiarism.

You got this backwards. He is perceived as smart, not portrayed as smart.

Lolno. That'd be the case if he was killed off or the characters acknowledged his plan as retarded. How you're arguing that considering you're defending his dumbass plan as the only best option and the characters do not condemn his stupidity, is a miracle and simply wrong.

The characters in the story regard him as a genius. The author did NOT portray him as a genius.

The author intended him to be a genius considering how he's treated post arc and in general. I really don't understand how one can be so stupid and contradictory. This is literally a product of shit, contrived writing, something you try to pretend you've acknowledged. At least try and stay consistent with your delusions.

Trying to divert attention away from your stupidity again.

Literally you in half your responses. Projection much.

A spy is by no means a powerful position. He cannot make any decisions. He CAN royally fuck everyone over by being discovered but so can every other spy. Difference here is that he is at least loyal enough to commit suicide. Also familial reasons being a stupid excuse? Are you saying you would kill your girlfriend's father if he is that stupid without any hesitation? You conveniently ignore all of these factors that would involve the final decision. Even if you WOULDN'T make such decisions because you are a dedicated King, these are all things a normal human would consider and these would affect their decision. This is enough to show that your 'proof' won't sell. Also, calling this totally irrelevant and completely ignoring basic human psychology and that your proof is an utter failure is a very great 'no u' which you claim I am doing. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Lol fuck no. Information is power, and considering who he is and his situation, he's got plenty of power.
Ha. Ha. Ha. No. He's get a special amount of power considering, ya know, he's suppose to be dead and if everyone figures out he's not fucking dead, it's deep shit for everyone.
If he started a civil war, exactly as done in this scenario, and I was king? Fuck yea I would. At the very least, he'd never leave the inside of a cell in the side of mountain.
Normal humans shouldn't be kings, and normal humans aren't as stupid as you, so double no there.
Oh look, more hypocrisy and irony. 15 words now; man doesn't know what proof or sell means.
Yea, Soma the perfect king mc self insert, if he was a consistent character, would realize killing him off as the best decision if the story wasn't as contrived as you are below the mean iq and would prioritize the outcome of something not even immoral all things considered. This being a difficult decision is 100% a you problem. I doubt you know anything about "basic human psychology". And it's also because you are. Notice how everything you claim I do is in immediate response to my initial stating of such. I call you a hypocrite, next comment you call me a hypocrite, I point out your "no u" bullshit and you try and paint it to me. It's almost like you're completely unoriginal and have no thoughts of your own and cannot formulate a coherent argument with someone shoving their hand up your ass and working you like a sock puppet or instead by poorly plagiarizing and imitating the words of those calling you an idiot.

Also, why don't you try and respond to the recent comments. Not only are you unoriginal, delusional, hypocritical, half-witted, and a sociopath but also slow and out of date. At least try and keep up when spewing your bile.

Considering the fact I am talking about their point of view, in a world with limited knowledge, using modern reader's knowledge is a surefire way to get the wrong perception on things. But this is forgivable since you don't even know what perceive it.

Go expand your knowledge in various fields before saying stupid shit like killing your girlfriend's godfather. I have honestly never met a dumber person on the internet.

Your cred is 0. Good day sir. While you are at, please send my condolences to your parents and your spouse's parents if you have one.

Yea, pumpkin, whatever helps you work you bullshit magic. Told you as many times as possible, that I addressed and spoke from both points of view, a universal point of view, a point of view where readers or modern knowledge is irrelevant. I've broken down in as many ways as possible, but you can't see any of that because your head is crammed so far up your ass Ouroborosis is jealous.

Oh look, more projection. "Various fields". Motherfucker can't even think of a relevant study or endeavor to add to his insult. Why don't you go study a thesaurus or a college major listing so you can instead figure out what "various fields" I need to study. And that's because you cannot meet yourself. If Trump was a weeb, he'd be you.

Oh no, my cred, whatever shall I do? The all mighty Nep has deemed my cred to be 0. That's almost as devastating as the 12 year old playing COD saying he fucked my mom in 2013. Where'd you get those insults? r/funny? There as unoriginal, boring as you and plagiarized just as much as you do. A match made in the 7th level of hell.

It truly, truly is impressive how Darwin hasn't made his way to you yet. If I ever heard a good argument for post natal abortion, it'd be you.

 

[DivisibleZero]

What dafaq is going on here

 

[Daviot]

@nep
@Yautja

Right. At this point, both sides of the argument have more or less devolved from cogent debate to ad hominem insults and wholesale thread derailment. Per rules 5.1.5 and 5.1.6, I hereby suggest you either take it to direct messages or let the issue drop for the benefit of other readers. If necessary, use the block function.

Please chillax. Read something else or do something else if necessary.
Thanks,

Daviot.

 

[Nep]

Sorry mod. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[damakuno]

Do not finish the sentence, that's a death flag right there

 

[StarGasm]

First, wow I thought that cannon ball would legit crumble the wall away
Second, oh so arrows enchanted with Wind Magic can destroy a cannon ball? Ok...
Third, so like they can create grenades o' fire? Cool, the budget ain't liking it tho

Honestly, the magic in this world is kinda meh... Maybe because that's not the point of, but I dunno, feels shitty to me, too "basic", I guess?

LMAO dude this comment section is fucking crazy! It's by far the biggest text storm I've seen ever, specially on this site, can't stop laughing on how people actually used so much of their free time to (probably) flame wars

 

[GerryCerryBery]

The death flag rises again. Should've talked about their childhood, their memories and that they will go back home tomorrow to tell their parents, that they are getting married to make it even more obvious.


Why does this manga spark such intense heat between commenters?

 

[Rapala101]

That red flag.........why would you say these things

 

[chusetto]

I hope this is not a death flag (I'll know in a few minutes xD)

 

[ooPh9quu]

They could have besieged this fort with x1 to x1.5 strong force, and use the rest to go further into MC's undefended country. This author is special.

 

[tuhjik]

https://imgur.com/mXbYKgj

That moustache... I don't know if I love it or hate it. My boy looks like he just drank a glass of chocolate milk.

 

[nyaasar]

Nnnnnnoooooo! Not the flag! My cute fluffy girl!

 

[MensCultureUnion]

why has the side character couple gotten as much if not more development than the main one?

 

[Kaarme]

King Souma might want to set aside a bit of money in the budget, so that the royal guards could have helmets.

 

[Deathhappens]

Love can bloom, even on the battlefield.

 

[thycondrius]

It's the bombers!!!

Call the F-22!