Mairimashita! Iruma-kun - Ch. 439 - Merize (3)

[LadyTyche]

It's wild that Knightwalker is trying to muscle in like this. The Border Patrol have kept being used as big bads in various ways, but in the actual demon world hierarchy they are small fry including him.

Seems irrational and self destructive for him to make a move like this as a glorified police chief, when there are demons involved that can eat him for a snack, unless he thinks none of them will bother to intervene.

 

[dynamo0006]

Realy cool to see that each member has their own form of cerberus

 

[DMassiv]

never have I hate someone this much up till with ballas and this naberius dude

 

[Xerlith]

This manga made an impressively quick jump from "we'll all help you keep your child from an human woman because we're your friends and comrades" to weird allusions to illegal immigrants and border control in just one chapter. Well, at least we know Ameri survived it safely. But her mother?

P.S. Lol, judging by the reactions, someone is too fragile even for simple indications that there are dark moments or sudden changes in tone in this manga. And yes, Swagner, I still see your attempts to stalk and harass me, hello!

This has literally been the main plot point and premise from chapter 1.

 

[radstylix]

Some seem to be making a parallel of this immigration politics but for me this very much seems more like military research/power expansion like @Thrembs said.

One might also say a bit of purity spiralling with the bloodline comment but then again someone of that outlook wouldn't approve of Ameri's existence at all as they'd consider the precedent even for experimentation too much of a risk.

The immigration outlook would want Merize sent home as soon as possible and keep interaction to a minimum as to not complicate the return.

The border control/immigration politics topic is fairly irrelevant given you have the fundamental practical concern in the plot (human blood), just like IRL (at greater numbers of people), as much as some would not like to admit.


And in the opposite case, bigotry from the moralist child, their inability to consider their parents wisdom modestly branding them as bigots ironically.
Which is how bigotry is born from nothing rather than bred/spread.

It's a bit annoying seeing WESTERN politics again in my Chinese cartoons smh. Seeing the words "border control" and then immediately thinking of ICE is very US-centric and shallow thinking lmao when every country that's not retarded has border control.

And border control/immigration/etc. isn't even the real issue here. It's the fact that humans, or rather, their blood, is like handing a demon a supersteroid that makes them berserk AND heals them (I'm assuming the healing part from that one time Iruma gave some of his blood to a monster).

Demon Border Control is smart to just "deport" humans if they somehow ends up in the underworld and avoid all that mess so no one side in the demon world, good or evil, gets their hands on a human.

And then the unthinkable happens and some unscrupulous demons find out that demons can breed with humans...

 

[SuperOniichan]

This has literally been the main plot point and premise from chapter 1.

Again, I'm talking about the change in tone between these two chapters, not that this theme have never been in the manga before. I'm literally only mentioning events from this arc, not the entire story. Not to mention, in the discussion of previous chapters, I was literally attacked by weirdos for pointing out the existence of borders between the human and demon worlds in this story. Now, they're throwing angry emoji at me and trying to lecture me that there is a bordens between worlds in this manga, lmao. Just choose one thing.

It's a bit annoying seeing WESTERN politics again in my Chinese cartoons smh. Seeing the words "border control" and then immediately thinking of ICE is very US-centric and shallow thinking lmao when every country that's not retarded has border control.

And border control/immigration/etc. isn't even the real issue here. It's the fact that humans, or rather, their blood, is like handing a demon a supersteroid that makes them berserk AND heals them (I'm assuming the healing part from that one time Iruma gave some of his blood to a monster).

Demon Border Control is smart to just "deport" humans if they somehow ends up in the underworld and avoid all that mess so no one side in the demon world, good or evil, gets their hands on a human.

And then the unthinkable happens and some unscrupulous demons find out that demons can breed with humans...

I live in Europe and I don’t even know what the name ICE stands for. I don't like the politicization of things either, but the thought police are no better when they whine every time someone even jokes about politics.

 

[isoycrazy]

It's wild that Knightwalker is trying to muscle in like this. The Border Patrol have kept being used as big bads in various ways, but in the actual demon world hierarchy they are small fry including him.

Seems irrational and self destructive for him to make a move like this as a glorified police chief, when there are demons involved that can eat him for a snack, unless he thinks none of them will bother to intervene.

Nightwalker is a Crown. Anything that is in his purview and domain is his right to do with as he pleases. Baal explains that to the potential Crowns. He plowed over a river Derkila loved because he wanted to and got away with it because it's his domain. Mezri was in a unique situation with no one demon having control over her agency. Now that Henri is her husband, he has power of authority to decide for her in this situation. That's why Nightwalker wants his signature for the transfer. Only Henri can give it for Mezrie.

 

[Xerlith]

Again, I'm talking about the change in tone between these two chapters, not that this theme have never been in the manga before. I'm literally only mentioning events from this arc, not the entire story. Not to mention, in the discussion of previous chapters, I was literally attacked by weirdos for pointing out the existence of borders between the human and demon worlds in this story. Now, they're throwing angry emoji at me and trying to lecture me that there is a bordens between worlds in this manga, lmao. Just choose one thing.

I live in Europe and I don’t even know what the name ICE stands for. I don't like the politicization of things either, but the thought police are no better when they whine every time someone even jokes about politics.

I think you are too emotional about comment sections under manga chapters lol.

And as a fellow European, I know what ICE stands for because I don't live under a rock. I am slightly envious of you in that regard, I guess.

 

[SuperOniichan]

I think you are too emotional about comment sections under manga chapters lol.

And as a fellow European, I know what ICE stands for because I don't live under a rock. I am slightly envious of you in that regard, I guess.

I'm "too emotional" because I'm not going to be a target for people who are completely unaware of their double standards but are still trying to virtue signal for me. Last week, I received a lot of hate comments for pointing out the existence of border police in the demon world. Now I'm literally being accused of denying that border police in this universe exist. It's simply ridiculous.

If all Europeans who don't live under a rock should know this, then what's the point of seeing American centrism in everyone who claims it?

 

[Xerlith]

I'm "too emotional" because I'm not going to be a target for people who are completely unaware of their double standards but are still trying to virtue signal for me. Last week, I received a lot of hate comments for pointing out the existence of border police in the demon world. Now I'm literally being accused of denying that border police in this universe exist. It's simply ridiculous.

If all Europeans who don't live under a rock should know this, then what's the point of seeing American centrism in everyone who claims it?

Dunno man, all that anger thrown around just feels like you're deliberately baiting people into engaging with you in the way you claim is targeted.

 

[deleted-user-94bfc63407]

It's a bit annoying seeing WESTERN politics again in my Chinese cartoons smh. Seeing the words "border control" and then immediately thinking of ICE is very US-centric and shallow thinking lmao when every country that's not retarded has border control.

And border control/immigration/etc. isn't even the real issue here. It's the fact that humans, or rather, their blood, is like handing a demon a supersteroid that makes them berserk AND heals them (I'm assuming the healing part from that one time Iruma gave some of his blood to a monster).

Demon Border Control is smart to just "deport" humans if they somehow ends up in the underworld and avoid all that mess so no one side in the demon world, good or evil, gets their hands on a human.

And then the unthinkable happens and some unscrupulous demons find out that demons can breed with humans...

I agree.
It seems to indeed be just a US thing, while immigration is a substantial topic here in the UK, I can't image we're so divided and obsessed on the matter that we'd bring it up in a manga chat at the slightest mention of border friction...

I suppose also our activist class aren't nearly as militant as the US either which helps.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Dunno man, all that anger thrown around just feels like you're deliberately baiting people into engaging with you in the way you claim is targeted.

By the same logic, I could say that you're deliberately provoking me now so that I'll start making excuses. This is universal bullshit.

I agree.
It seems to indeed be just a US thing, while immigration is a substantial topic here in the UK, I can't image we're so divided and obsessed on the matter that we'd bring it up in a manga chat at the slightest mention of border friction...

I suppose also our activist class aren't nearly as militant as the US either which helps.

Any allusions to current affairs, even unintentional ones, spark heated discussions. I don't even know why this happens. It's as if people are somehow especially sensitive to sensitive topics. What's especially funny is that this surprises the American and the British the most here.

 

[Iza567]

Seeing Knightwalker's relationship with Banhachi, I wonder if Balam wasn't afraid of Shichiro's friendship with Kalego

 

[lukka]

This manga made an impressively quick jump from "we'll all help you keep your child from an human woman because we're your friends and comrades" to weird allusions to illegal immigrants and border control in just one chapter. Well, at least we know Ameri survived it safely. But her mother?

P.S. Lol, judging by the reactions, someone is too fragile even for simple indications that there are dark moments or sudden changes in tone in this manga. And yes, Swagner, I still see your attempts to stalk and harass me, hello!

Less illegal immigrants, and more like illegal contraband, or animals
They're not illegal people, they're an illegal being that they want to experiment on

 

[deleted-user-94bfc63407]

Any allusions to current affairs, even unintentional ones, spark heated discussions. I don't even know why this happens. It's as if people are somehow especially sensitive to sensitive topics. What's especially funny is that this surprises the American and the British the most here.

I think a good proportion of people who downvoted your original comment did such because they don't see the allusions to immigration and border control substantial enough to be worth mentioning.
Thus many may have seen such as activist behaviour, shoehorning one's beliefs at any slight opportunity.
Poes law and whatnot not helping.

I didn't downvote but I didn't agree with your comment either because said allusion was far too benign, especially when you have the allusions to power and ill intentioned research there.
I don't believe the authors intent was to focus on the immigration aspect as such was handled quite normally.

I also think most of the characters helping did so in good faith, the sudden jump makes sense as it's really only Naberius which has shown any betrayal so far. He who was always in suspicion in our eyes.

I wasn't surprised at immigration affairs being brought up, just disappointed given how benign a plot point such is.
I fully expect internet people to lack restraint when it comes to bringing up current affairs.

 

[SuperOniichan]

I think a good proportion of people who downvoted your original comment did such because they don't see the allusions to immigration and border control substantial enough to be worth mentioning.
Thus many may have seen such as activist behaviour, shoehorning one's beliefs at any slight opportunity.
Poes law and whatnot not helping.

I didn't downvote but I didn't agree with your comment either because said allusion was far too benign, especially when you have the allusions to power and ill intentioned research there.
I don't believe the authors intent was to focus on the immigration aspect as such was handled quite normally.

I also think most of the characters helping did so in good faith, the sudden jump makes sense as it's really only Naberius which has shown any betrayal so far. He who was always in suspicion in our eyes.

I wasn't surprised at immigration affairs being brought up, just disappointed given how benign a plot point such is.
I fully expect internet people to lack restraint when it comes to bringing up current affairs.

Now, stop completely. Where in my comment were there any allusions to any real conflicts with border control? And not just a general metaphor? Secondly, you're literally creating situational superstructures to explain why my comment about the abrupt change in tone was bad, because you yourself literally acknowledged the existence of this change, while criticizing me for associating it with things that weren't there. And thirdly, the question still remains: are you genuinely surprised that people are sensitive about sensitive topics? It's simply ridiculous.

So, you literally acknowledge the existence of the issues I mentioned in my comment, but you're retroactively trying to find a reason to justify why it's bad. Even admiting to trying to find an activist's obsession in my comment, although there were literally no comments about it other than a laconic "allusion to border control" (yes, a single comment about this is a reason to pounce on someone with accusations about "every opportunity"). Do I really need to explain why this is truly ridiculous?

You're literally bringing more political chatter and ranting into this than I ever did in my comment, but you're trying to blame me for it. Literally forcing me to remind you that the main premise is literally about a character who is in a foreign "country" illegally, although before your complaints I didn't even think about putting any special emphasis on this.

 

[deleted-user-94bfc63407]

Now, stop completely. Where in my comment were there any allusions to any real conflicts with border control? And not just a general metaphor? Secondly, you're literally creating situational superstructures to explain why my comment about the abrupt change in tone was bad, because you yourself literally acknowledged the existence of this change, while criticizing me for associating it with things that weren't there. And thirdly, the question still remains: are you genuinely surprised that people are sensitive about sensitive topics? It's simply ridiculous.

So, you literally acknowledge the existence of the issues I mentioned in my comment, but you're retroactively trying to find a reason to justify why it's bad. Even admiting to trying to find an activist's obsession in my comment, although there were literally no comments about it other than a laconic "allusion to border control" (yes, a single comment about this is a reason to pounce on someone with accusations about "every opportunity"). Do I really need to explain why this is truly ridiculous?

You're literally bringing more political chatter and ranting into this than I ever did in my comment, but you're trying to blame me for it.

Hang on, I'm not saying anything about your character, I'm just explaining why some may have downvoted you.
I haven't insulted your character and implied your an activist I've said others may have interpreted your comment as such.

As I've explained my only disagreement is that I don't find the abrupt change of theme that surprising and I don't put it down to a change to immigration or border control themes but instead a different theme.

My first comment in this thread was also purely politically scientific, I have no interest in activism in an manga forum.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Hang on, I'm not saying anything about your character, I'm just explaining why some may have downvoted you.
I haven't insulted your character and implied your an activist I've said others may have interpreted your comment as such.

As I've explained my only disagreement is that I don't find the abrupt change of time that surprising and I don't put it down to a change to immigration or border control I put the abrupt change down to a different theme.

It still sounded as if you were describing not a possible misunderstanding, but a negative reaction to some fact. While continued to try to guess my motives for writing the comment, forcing me to justify myself by saying that I mentioned certain things in the "correct" and "officially permitted" context. Are you still surprised why I find this uncomfortable?

Show me where I find the shift in tone surprising or attribute it to some intense focus on the immigrant crisis? This whole ICE discourse was brought in by you and that guy complaining about American-centrism, while ironically failing to realize that Japan itself has its own completely different immigration context. Again, you are complaining about things that didn't exist in the first place.

 

[deleted-user-94bfc63407]

It still sounded as if you were describing not a possible misunderstanding, but a negative reaction to some fact. While continued to try to guess my motives for writing the comment, forcing me to justify myself by saying that I mentioned certain things in the "correct" and "officially permitted" context. Are you still surprised why I find this uncomfortable?

Show me where I find the shift in tone surprising or attribute it to some intense focus on the immigrant crisis? This whole ICE discourse was brought in by you and that guy complaining about American-centrism, while ironically failing to realize that Japan itself has its own completely different immigration context. Again, you are complaining about things that didn't exist in the first place.

I don't see how I gave that impression but I'm sorry that I did nonethless.

Well my impression was you were surprised by how fast the theme shifted, it's just my interpretation by the fact you felt the need to mention such.
As for the intense immigrant crisis, you haven't explicitly and I haven't said I thought you did.
All I've said is some people may have interpreted your comment as such, which is why they downvoted you.

The ICE discourse was brought in by anyone who has mentioned ICE in this thread, all I've done is say that the immigration topic is completely benign as a theme in this manga and that notable main topic is actually the ill intentioned research goal of Naberius.

Please go re-read my first comment, it makes no mention of any particular political bodies or political factions.
My second comment was solely to agree that Americans tend to inject politics into everything.

 

[HDMI1]

This plot makes absolutely zero sense considering what happened to Ameri later. All of a sudden we learn that a huge number of important demons were involved in her birth, she's some kind of human-demon hybrid wanted by the border patrol from the very start of her life and years later she's just casually attending school being the famous student council president and attending high society parties. Come on.

Henri became a member of the 13 Crowns, probably with Sullivan's backing, and afterwards they couldn't touch Ameri.