Nanjou-san wa Boku ni Dakaretai

[Phelgming]

You can't turn a hoe into a housewife.... and that isn't an opinion, that is biological... the brain undergoes permanent change the more partners one has, to women this is destructive, to men it is constructive (only because women like experienced men tho, since it makes them more confident).

So from a basic biology standpoint I can judge it, because the author is trying to push some bullshit, that a complete whore who gets trains run on them, could magically be a sweet girl... yeah no. That ain't ever happening. Snake oil sales this be.

It's always amusing to meet one of you people.

Please, go to college and take biology courses. See a therapist. Talk to real women in real life. Touch grass. Etc.

I don't enjoy instantly dismissing people or their arguments, but there's nothing for either of us to gain by arguing any further. You're too far gone for any normal person to help you. Please get professional help because you need it.

I'm not kidding. I'm not making a jab at you. Get some help. I am a normal human being. This is a normal, concerned human being telling you to get help. You'll be happier for it.

I hope your right and she stops with pushing things and fast with the MC because personally I feel she totally ruined every place they went to on their first date if they end up staying together at the end of the manga which they probably will.
it will always be a fact in their relationship with the way she was acting / pushing the MC on their first date.

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Sorry for the long reply ^^

Don't apologize for the long reply; I like the discourse even if I don't agree with you on a lot of points (that said, I am cutting most of it out to slim down my own, long reply).

I think you're approaching everything from too much a sexual angle and are reading too deeply into what we've presented with so far. I am approaching it from a more literary angle and am taking what we know at face value.

What we know is that she has been blackmailed, lied to, and has been mentally and emotionally abused/manipulated by her peers. We don't know much else besides that and we can't, really, until/unless the author decides to expand on her past. Regardless, I again have to say I think the author is using the extreme extent of her past relationships as a literary device to show how damaged she is; not so much as a way to imply there's more there or that it can get worse. I could very easily be wrong. The feeling I get is the author wants to write a character study moreso than he wants to write porn (otherwise I think we'd have seen more up front... Although we have already seen a lot so the chances I'm wrong are pretty high...).

Considering what we do know, it's very likely she's developed a form of PTSD. People with PTSD often self-medicate through various habits and stimulants, including sex. In fact, victims of undiagnosed, untreated sexual trauma often subconsciously turn to more sex and do so in irresponsible ways. It's often a means of trying to take back something they feel they've lost or assert control over something they feel they have lost control of. It's a very frequent occurrence to the point that our female lead's actions are basically textbook.

I'm fully expecting rivals to appear including the ones you've mentioned. I think a great foil to the main girl would be the main guy's "ideal woman" who has her own issues/baggage to contrast with main guy's/girl's. Maybe something like she appears prim, proper and ideal, but actually has difficulty forming emotional connections with people or actively looks down on people around her. Someone who outwardly presents as an ideal, but is full of internal conflict (as opposed to our lead who is outwardly promiscuous and unsavory).

As for a male rival, I can't imagine there's much that could happen there that would still be satisfying. Like, I think he'd have to end up being his own character with his own character arc that culminates in him apologizing to main girl for being human garbage and taking advantage of her like that. Otherwise, and I think this may be more likely, he'll probably just show up, trying to get with main girl again, and get told to buzz off by either main girl or main guy. Either way, I think it needs to happen, but to what extent is up in the air.

I really hope the author doesn't go further with how far she's gone. I think we know enough about the main girl that we don't need anymore. If there is more, there needs to be a pretty good reason for it. Considering how much so many people have fought against the author's decision to take it as far as he already has, I don't think he could get away with much more (and I don't want him to).

But yes, she absolutely needs a therapist. Should have gotten one well before the story even started. That said, most people who need a therapist never get one.

 

[Bobdillan69]

It's always amusing to meet one of you people.

Please, go to college and take biology courses. See a therapist. Talk to real women in real life. Touch grass. Etc.

I don't enjoy instantly dismissing people or their arguments, but there's nothing for either of us to gain by arguing any further. You're too far gone for any normal person to help you. Please get professional help because you need it.

I'm not kidding. I'm not making a jab at you. Get some help. I am a normal human being. This is a normal, concerned human being telling you to get help. You'll be happier for it.

Don't apologize for the long reply; I like the discourse even if I don't agree with you on a lot of points (that said, I am cutting most of it out to slim down my own, long reply).

I think you're approaching everything from too much a sexual angle and are reading too deeply into what we've presented with so far. I am approaching it from a more literary angle and am taking what we know at face value.

What we know is that she has been blackmailed, lied to, and has been mentally and emotionally abused/manipulated by her peers. We don't know much else besides that and we can't, really, until/unless the author decides to expand on her past. Regardless, I again have to say I think the author is using the extreme extent of her past relationships as a literary device to show how damaged she is; not so much as a way to imply there's more there or that it can get worse. I could very easily be wrong. The feeling I get is the author wants to write a character study moreso than he wants to write porn (otherwise I think we'd have seen more up front... Although we have already seen a lot so the chances I'm wrong are pretty high...).

Considering what we do know, it's very likely she's developed a form of PTSD. People with PTSD often self-medicate through various habits and stimulants, including sex. In fact, victims of undiagnosed, untreated sexual trauma often subconsciously turn to more sex and do so in irresponsible ways. It's often a means of trying to take back something they feel they've lost or assert control over something they feel they have lost control of. It's a very frequent occurrence to the point that our female lead's actions are basically textbook.

I'm fully expecting rivals to appear including the ones you've mentioned. I think a great foil to the main girl would be the main guy's "ideal woman" who has her own issues/baggage to contrast with main guy's/girl's. Maybe something like she appears prim, proper and ideal, but actually has difficulty forming emotional connections with people or actively looks down on people around her. Someone who outwardly presents as an ideal, but is full of internal conflict (as opposed to our lead who is outwardly promiscuous and unsavory).

As for a male rival, I can't imagine there's much that could happen there that would still be satisfying. Like, I think he'd have to end up being his own character with his own character arc that culminates in him apologizing to main girl for being human garbage and taking advantage of her like that. Otherwise, and I think this may be more likely, he'll probably just show up, trying to get with main girl again, and get told to buzz off by either main girl or main guy. Either way, I think it needs to happen, but to what extent is up in the air.

I really hope the author doesn't go further with how far she's gone. I think we know enough about the main girl that we don't need anymore. If there is more, there needs to be a pretty good reason for it. Considering how much so many people have fought against the author's decision to take it as far as he already has, I don't think he could get away with much more (and I don't want him to).

But yes, she absolutely needs a therapist. Should have gotten one well before the story even started. That said, most people who need a therapist never get one.

bruh... take basic psychology and such things would be obvious.

The fact you genuinely believe these fallacies shows how little you actually know about men and women.

 

[Tamanor]

It's always amusing to meet one of you people.

Please, go to college and take biology courses. See a therapist. Talk to real women in real life. Touch grass. Etc.

I don't enjoy instantly dismissing people or their arguments, but there's nothing for either of us to gain by arguing any further. You're too far gone for any normal person to help you. Please get professional help because you need it.

I'm not kidding. I'm not making a jab at you. Get some help. I am a normal human being. This is a normal, concerned human being telling you to get help. You'll be happier for it.

Don't apologize for the long reply; I like the discourse even if I don't agree with you on a lot of points (that said, I am cutting most of it out to slim down my own, long reply).

I think you're approaching everything from too much a sexual angle and are reading too deeply into what we've presented with so far. I am approaching it from a more literary angle and am taking what we know at face value.

What we know is that she has been blackmailed, lied to, and has been mentally and emotionally abused/manipulated by her peers. We don't know much else besides that and we can't, really, until/unless the author decides to expand on her past. Regardless, I again have to say I think the author is using the extreme extent of her past relationships as a literary device to show how damaged she is; not so much as a way to imply there's more there or that it can get worse. I could very easily be wrong. The feeling I get is the author wants to write a character study moreso than he wants to write porn (otherwise I think we'd have seen more up front... Although we have already seen a lot so the chances I'm wrong are pretty high...).

Considering what we do know, it's very likely she's developed a form of PTSD. People with PTSD often self-medicate through various habits and stimulants, including sex. In fact, victims of undiagnosed, untreated sexual trauma often subconsciously turn to more sex and do so in irresponsible ways. It's often a means of trying to take back something they feel they've lost or assert control over something they feel they have lost control of. It's a very frequent occurrence to the point that our female lead's actions are basically textbook.

I'm fully expecting rivals to appear including the ones you've mentioned. I think a great foil to the main girl would be the main guy's "ideal woman" who has her own issues/baggage to contrast with main guy's/girl's. Maybe something like she appears prim, proper and ideal, but actually has difficulty forming emotional connections with people or actively looks down on people around her. Someone who outwardly presents as an ideal, but is full of internal conflict (as opposed to our lead who is outwardly promiscuous and unsavory).

As for a male rival, I can't imagine there's much that could happen there that would still be satisfying. Like, I think he'd have to end up being his own character with his own character arc that culminates in him apologizing to main girl for being human garbage and taking advantage of her like that. Otherwise, and I think this may be more likely, he'll probably just show up, trying to get with main girl again, and get told to buzz off by either main girl or main guy. Either way, I think it needs to happen, but to what extent is up in the air.

I really hope the author doesn't go further with how far she's gone. I think we know enough about the main girl that we don't need anymore. If there is more, there needs to be a pretty good reason for it. Considering how much so many people have fought against the author's decision to take it as far as he already has, I don't think he could get away with much more (and I don't want him to).

But yes, she absolutely needs a therapist. Should have gotten one well before the story even started. That said, most people who need a therapist never get one.

I can see where you are coming from on your points but I already feel like the author has taken this too far and how many plot points that will need to be filled / fixed.
I mean As I mentioned on my previous post she is without a doubt no stranger to letting groups of guys queue up and take turns on her this is evident by the first chapter when the Male MC walks into the room.
The guy she was having sex with at the time was more spooked that they where caught than she was and he soon bolted from the room.
then she proceeds to offer the MC who she has never once spoken too before to take over from the other guy
(with happy / excited face) which tells me she is used to people stumbling into the room when she is doing stuff. (went back to see what she did and she reacts with "oh fuck" and did not try to correct herself / cover up).

Which brings me on to my other point on the last post I made about I feel this is not even the tip of the iceberg of what we will find out about what she has done, because with how easy the MC found her doing things in the class room and her not really reacting much to it, I find it almost impossible that no teacher has ever walked in with her doing stuff at school.
And then with the fact that she is still at the school and has not been kicked out for doing such things on campus, will most probably mean said teacher is blackmailing her for sex for him keeping it a secret, but if that is the case that just opens another whole tin of worms so I really hope this is not the case on this one ^^.
but I find it really improbable that a teacher has never caught her in the act before since it looks like a massive amount of her activities is somewhere around in the school grounds / classrooms.

And to be honest I do feel bad for her but I also feel sorry for the Male MC, This is mainly because at the moment the MC is a game for her currently (since she is trying to make him sleep with her) . and she basically / kind of guilt tripped him into going out with her.

my main worry with this one, is if she is so traumatised this is going to take a hell of a lot of chapters to even start to improve anything with her mental state since her issues or things that have happened over years of stuff,
now there is clearly lots of male students at her school that have "used" / "blackmailed" ect.
So unless the main character is glued to her every moment of the day,
I just don't see how she will be able to refuse anyone that wants to do something with her which at this point since she is already going out with the MC in Chapter 1 she would be cheating, I mean she only refused them two guys on the stairs in chapter 1 because her emotions where high because of the MC saying that stuff to her and he was also there at the time.
If her trauma is that bad that up until this point she has never said no to any males that made advances to her because she wants to make them all "happy" and not disappoint them there is no way so early on in the story and with this trauma that is so bad that she would say no unless the MC was there to help her 24/7.
This is the main reason I feel like the author has gone way over the top with her past and sheer amount of things she has done / happened.

I feel that maybe the MC and her should have started as friends instead of jumping right into going out with each other,
because if I'm right and in the next couple of chapters she gets blackmailed to do stuff behind the MC back I'm going to feel really bad for him.
I mean along with the "rival" / "ex" showing up troupe in these manga's there also the other typical troupe of something happening which cases a mini rift between the MC and the FMC.

We will just have to wait for Ch. 4 and hope this does not get worse ^^ or more unneeded stuff gets added.
because I do want to like this as my issue is not with her having experience its more realistic that she has done stuff with her ex-boyfriends, it just the fact I feel the author has gone OTT so early on with just the sheer amount of stuff it seems she has done, which it does feel somewhat unrealistic to a point.

Also just for a little addon to my already long post ^^, Just to do a little refresh I reread all 3 parts and to be honest to noticed.
End of chapter 1 they start dating on the premises of the MC showing her a "normal romance", but then not even 6 pages into chapter 2 who again offers for him to do it with her. and again on page 16 in the clothes shop. And again the multiple times in Ch. 3,

Which kind of makes me feels her trauma is not sexually related and is more just that fact she scared of being left alone again like it was shown in Ch.1. the way she acting in a teasing / joyful way each time she offers the MC to "do her" or "touch her" and she knows he does not like that already.

I personally feel she might be jealous of the MC because he is a mirror of what she was in the past but he has not let he ruin him, so she want to get him to sleep with her to bring him on her level.
this is because it feels odd that she askes the MC to go out with her to show her a normal loving romance, but is still constantly acting the way she is even with her knowing for a fact the MC does not like her sexual advances.

The one main thing I noticed on going thought it again was each time she keeps offering the MC to do stuff with her, is her mouth / smile which looks fake, but in Ch.3 page 23 I think that is the first true smile she has done.
But her eye expression in these "fake looking smile" scenes don't look fake so not sure really what to think on that ^^.

yikes another long post :/

 

[Phelgming]

bruh... take basic psychology and such things would be obvious.

The fact you genuinely believe these fallacies shows how little you actually know about men and women.

Okay, let's both take the class. Pick an online university that offers psych and biology classes (to cover our bases) and we can both enroll. It'll be fun and informative.

I can see where you are coming from on your points but I already feel like the author has taken this too far and how many plot points that will need to be filled / fixed.

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yikes another long post :/

At this point I'm kind of wondering if you're pushing your own fetish onto this manga. You keep bringing up the same points despite us not having any evidence of those things or any hints that things will go that way. That said, I've made my points about the issues you've brought up about teachers and "lines of dudes" so I'm going to say we've both said our sides on those issues. The one thing I want to address is that she hasn't been expelled because a teacher is in on it or something. It's more likely that either teachers don't know, don't care, or didn't consider it a big deal. As far as my high school education went, that was predominantly how things played out and I'd expect most teachers to react one of those ways. That said, again, I'm examining this as a character study and not as pornographic material.

In terms of there being an iceberg, I don't see how we go much farther without the story getting a lot darker and abandoning a somewhat fluffy, happy-go-lucky atmosphere it's cultivated over the last couple chapters. I think expecting anything like that, especially without any hints or evidence, is premature. It may be possible, but it seems unlikely.

I don't feel bad for the main guy at all. Main girl seems to be taking things fairly seriously (I'd say very seriously seeing how much attention she pays to him and to what he says) and he's genuinely having a good time and is managing to connect with another human being. He's not any worse off than he was before and has actively begun a positive relationship with her. If anything, his life has gotten better. Difficulties will likely present themselves in the future, but that's inherent to all relationships, romantic or otherwise. I also honestly see them more as friends now than as two people with any real romantic intent.

Yes, it will take time and a lot of chapters. That's kind of how these things go. If it's the main point of the story, I'd expect it to last through to the end of the manga (however long it may be). The severity of her trauma should be reflected in how long it takes for her to get over and I hope it takes a long time.

The fact that she's refused guys' advances stands as evidence that she would do so again. Saying she was in a heightened emotional state at the time as an explanation for her actions and as an argument to her going against her words and actions is reductive and ignores what the story is trying to tell the reader.

On the subject of a "normal romance", part of the point is she doesn't know what that means. She's never had one and her expectations are skewed by her trauma and past relationships. Her propositioning main guy lends credibility to her naivete and the very premise of their relationship; she literally doesn't what a "normal romance" is. Plus, for that matter, normal romances involve sex. It's very normal for relationships to lead there. Often times, in real life, relationships start there. That she doesn't when know when (or where) is appropriate makes sense considering her trauma and past experience.

Her trauma is absolutely about being left alone. That is a large of it. I agree completely and have not disputed that at all. In fact, I think the story makes that very obvious.

I think you have an interesting theory, but it's very premature and assigns negative qualities to main girl's character that we haven't observed and that haven't even been hinted at. Thus far, she's been pretty sincere in wanting to connect with main guy on an interpersonal level and we haven't seen anything insidious about her or her actions.

I don't see any of her smiles as fake (at the very least, the vast majority seem real). I think you're confusing playful with false. The "real smile", as you put it, isn't any more real or false; it's just different. People have different kind of facial expressions.

 

[Tamanor]

Okay, let's both take the class. Pick an online university that offers psych and biology classes (to cover our bases) and we can both enroll. It'll be fun and informative.


At this point I'm kind of wondering if you're pushing your own fetish onto this manga. You keep bringing up the same points despite us not having any evidence of those things or any hints that things will go that way. That said, I've made my points about the issues you've brought up about teachers and "lines of dudes" so I'm going to say we've both said our sides on those issues. The one thing I want to address is that she hasn't been expelled because a teacher is in on it or something. It's more likely that either teachers don't know, don't care, or didn't consider it a big deal. As far as my high school education went, that was predominantly how things played out and I'd expect most teachers to react one of those ways. That said, again, I'm examining this as a character study and not as pornographic material.

In terms of there being an iceberg, I don't see how we go much farther without the story getting a lot darker and abandoning a somewhat fluffy, happy-go-lucky atmosphere it's cultivated over the last couple chapters. I think expecting anything like that, especially without any hints or evidence, is premature. It may be possible, but it seems unlikely.

I don't feel bad for the main guy at all. Main girl seems to be taking things fairly seriously (I'd say very seriously seeing how much attention she pays to him and to what he says) and he's genuinely having a good time and is managing to connect with another human being. He's not any worse off than he was before and has actively begun a positive relationship with her. If anything, his life has gotten better. Difficulties will likely present themselves in the future, but that's inherent to all relationships, romantic or otherwise. I also honestly see them more as friends now than as two people with any real romantic intent.

Yes, it will take time and a lot of chapters. That's kind of how these things go. If it's the main point of the story, I'd expect it to last through to the end of the manga (however long it may be). The severity of her trauma should be reflected in how long it takes for her to get over and I hope it takes a long time.

The fact that she's refused guys' advances stands as evidence that she would do so again. Saying she was in a heightened emotional state at the time as an explanation for her actions and as an argument to her going against her words and actions is reductive and ignores what the story is trying to tell the reader.

On the subject of a "normal romance", part of the point is she doesn't know what that means. She's never had one and her expectations are skewed by her trauma and past relationships. Her propositioning main guy lends credibility to her naivete and the very premise of their relationship; she literally doesn't what a "normal romance" is. Plus, for that matter, normal romances involve sex. It's very normal for relationships to lead there. Often times, in real life, relationships start there. That she doesn't when know when (or where) is appropriate makes sense considering her trauma and past experience.

Her trauma is absolutely about being left alone. That is a large of it. I agree completely and have not disputed that at all. In fact, I think the story makes that very obvious.

I think you have an interesting theory, but it's very premature and assigns negative qualities to main girl's character that we haven't observed and that haven't even been hinted at. Thus far, she's been pretty sincere in wanting to connect with main guy on an interpersonal level and we haven't seen anything insidious about her or her actions.

I don't see any of her smiles as fake (at the very least, the vast majority seem real). I think you're confusing playful with false. The "real smile", as you put it, isn't any more real or false; it's just different. People have different kind of facial expressions.

when you say "At this point I'm kind of wondering if you're pushing your own fetish onto this manga. You keep bringing up the same points despite us not having any evidence of those things or any hints that things will go that way."

Just to keep it short on this matter because I would rather not continue on that part of the story subject, with some of my main issues I could've just be really badly wording it.

But I feel that most points I made have some evidence behind it, the only one being the thing with the teacher but that was just a theory based on the logic of how easy they got discovered or how certain characters reacted to things.
which I agree will most probably be wrong and not happen I fully hope that is the case.
this was mostly based on after reading so many manga there seems to be always someone in Japanese schools doing some sort of rounds.


But anywho back to the "Normal Romance" if she truly did not have one tiny clue that her past relationships were not "Normal" then she would not have asked the MC for help to have one, so she does have knowledge on some level.
But still chooses to come off quite strongly every chance she got, Even with the MC telling her to "Stop", "No" Etc multiple times.

Now I agree maybe at the start of the date she probably would not know how to act. But surely she would get some inkling of maybe this is not what he wants and I should calm it down on this subject for now.
And I totally agree sex is normal and that a lot of relationships start there as well even more so these days, but the MC has legit turned down every single advance in that area.(and its been quite a lot tbh) that she has made.
being used to romance aside, I mean just in general if you ask if someone wants something and they say no multiple times surely it should click quite quick that hold up maybe I should tone it down.

I also agree that my theory is 1000% very premature and I hope its not the case tbh, but she seemed very wounded when the MC turn her down the first few times that you can't help but wonder if there is any other hidden motives there, even more so when said character has a nearly identical personally to your past but they seem to be handling it a lot better.

With the smile I did look at it and was conflicted on it at first, the only way I can explain it is if you look at all the times she has either offered him sex or teased time / made advances to him her smile there I feel it looks like its a put on smile kind a like if your having a real bad day and you force the smile out.
(which I'm going to put this down as this is her trauma kicking in and she is acting as the ideal "girlfriend" trying to please the "boyfriend" because she feels she has to or they will leave her) but I could be totally wrong on that.
but the if you look at the times on the date they had were it was all normal there these smiles it very lively and even more so towards then end of the date.

not sure if how I explained my angle there is better or not.

When I say I feel bad for the MC, this is just down to the fact I feel they jumped into a relationship way to quick.
This is his first one and I worry that because how soon at the start we are and with how long it will take for her to overcome her demons which I fully agree will be something that gets better and better over the course of the story until the end.

but I worry because how soon it is for her and with romance manga's liking to use a bunch of diff troupes the one I worry about is the one that normally happens mid way in the story that is to drive a temp wedge in there relationship and they split up temporarily.

And I hope it not something that involves one of her past ex's which then hurts the MC massively, but on the flip side, but with how the MC is it probably wont but I have seen story's were the MC start to get full of themselves and end up being the trigger for the wedge.

I personally would rather them not use this troupe or the rival one but you just know at lease one of them will happen ^^

oh I did forget to say on my previous reply to you I have a guess that if there is a female rival it will be a poser acting like the ideal girl he likes but probably turns out to have some connection to the female lead e.g the reason she ended up a outcast in the previous school again just a theory.

 

[Bobdillan69]

Okay, let's both take the class. Pick an online university that offers psych and biology classes (to cover our bases) and we can both enroll. It'll be fun and informative.


At this point I'm kind of wondering if you're pushing your own fetish onto this manga. You keep bringing up the same points despite us not having any evidence of those things or any hints that things will go that way. That said, I've made my points about the issues you've brought up about teachers and "lines of dudes" so I'm going to say we've both said our sides on those issues. The one thing I want to address is that she hasn't been expelled because a teacher is in on it or something. It's more likely that either teachers don't know, don't care, or didn't consider it a big deal. As far as my high school education went, that was predominantly how things played out and I'd expect most teachers to react one of those ways. That said, again, I'm examining this as a character study and not as pornographic material.

In terms of there being an iceberg, I don't see how we go much farther without the story getting a lot darker and abandoning a somewhat fluffy, happy-go-lucky atmosphere it's cultivated over the last couple chapters. I think expecting anything like that, especially without any hints or evidence, is premature. It may be possible, but it seems unlikely.

I don't feel bad for the main guy at all. Main girl seems to be taking things fairly seriously (I'd say very seriously seeing how much attention she pays to him and to what he says) and he's genuinely having a good time and is managing to connect with another human being. He's not any worse off than he was before and has actively begun a positive relationship with her. If anything, his life has gotten better. Difficulties will likely present themselves in the future, but that's inherent to all relationships, romantic or otherwise. I also honestly see them more as friends now than as two people with any real romantic intent.

Yes, it will take time and a lot of chapters. That's kind of how these things go. If it's the main point of the story, I'd expect it to last through to the end of the manga (however long it may be). The severity of her trauma should be reflected in how long it takes for her to get over and I hope it takes a long time.

The fact that she's refused guys' advances stands as evidence that she would do so again. Saying she was in a heightened emotional state at the time as an explanation for her actions and as an argument to her going against her words and actions is reductive and ignores what the story is trying to tell the reader.

On the subject of a "normal romance", part of the point is she doesn't know what that means. She's never had one and her expectations are skewed by her trauma and past relationships. Her propositioning main guy lends credibility to her naivete and the very premise of their relationship; she literally doesn't what a "normal romance" is. Plus, for that matter, normal romances involve sex. It's very normal for relationships to lead there. Often times, in real life, relationships start there. That she doesn't when know when (or where) is appropriate makes sense considering her trauma and past experience.

Her trauma is absolutely about being left alone. That is a large of it. I agree completely and have not disputed that at all. In fact, I think the story makes that very obvious.

I think you have an interesting theory, but it's very premature and assigns negative qualities to main girl's character that we haven't observed and that haven't even been hinted at. Thus far, she's been pretty sincere in wanting to connect with main guy on an interpersonal level and we haven't seen anything insidious about her or her actions.

I don't see any of her smiles as fake (at the very least, the vast majority seem real). I think you're confusing playful with false. The "real smile", as you put it, isn't any more real or false; it's just different. People have different kind of facial expressions.

Cope

 

[Shinio]

Mfs writing dissertations on hoe and nerd peak weeb behavior.

 

[kwanga123]

Lmao dating the slut when every guy already busted a nut in her AHAHAHAHAHA.

 

[wallsg]

Lmao dating the slut when every guy already busted a nut in her AHAHAHAHAHA.

IRL that's the "I can change/save her" fallacy.

 

[TentacleLord]

IRL that's the "I can change/save her" fallacy.

I'm a "I can save her" type of guy but I don't consider street walkers to fall under the saving category. I'm more into just the crazy/menhera/yandere types. Like a wiseman once said "If Jesus can't save these hoes, why are you trying?".

 

[hentayesaucegod]

What are you guys smoking?
Btw I agree with

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, yanderes are so hot.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

 

[Playguu]

This feels like it was written by a 14 year old

 

[tommythatfox]

I'm just appalled by the first interaction of the mc and the chick like that's a memory that you can't recover from

 

[Piecewise]

It's always amusing to meet one of you people.

Please, go to college and take biology courses. See a therapist. Talk to real women in real life. Touch grass. Etc.

I don't enjoy instantly dismissing people or their arguments, but there's nothing for either of us to gain by arguing any further. You're too far gone for any normal person to help you. Please get professional help because you need it.

I'm not kidding. I'm not making a jab at you. Get some help. I am a normal human being. This is a normal, concerned human being telling you to get help. You'll be happier for it.

Don't apologize for the long reply; I like the discourse even if I don't agree with you on a lot of points (that said, I am cutting most of it out to slim down my own, long reply).

I think you're approaching everything from too much a sexual angle and are reading too deeply into what we've presented with so far. I am approaching it from a more literary angle and am taking what we know at face value.

What we know is that she has been blackmailed, lied to, and has been mentally and emotionally abused/manipulated by her peers. We don't know much else besides that and we can't, really, until/unless the author decides to expand on her past. Regardless, I again have to say I think the author is using the extreme extent of her past relationships as a literary device to show how damaged she is; not so much as a way to imply there's more there or that it can get worse. I could very easily be wrong. The feeling I get is the author wants to write a character study moreso than he wants to write porn (otherwise I think we'd have seen more up front... Although we have already seen a lot so the chances I'm wrong are pretty high...).

Considering what we do know, it's very likely she's developed a form of PTSD. People with PTSD often self-medicate through various habits and stimulants, including sex. In fact, victims of undiagnosed, untreated sexual trauma often subconsciously turn to more sex and do so in irresponsible ways. It's often a means of trying to take back something they feel they've lost or assert control over something they feel they have lost control of. It's a very frequent occurrence to the point that our female lead's actions are basically textbook.

I'm fully expecting rivals to appear including the ones you've mentioned. I think a great foil to the main girl would be the main guy's "ideal woman" who has her own issues/baggage to contrast with main guy's/girl's. Maybe something like she appears prim, proper and ideal, but actually has difficulty forming emotional connections with people or actively looks down on people around her. Someone who outwardly presents as an ideal, but is full of internal conflict (as opposed to our lead who is outwardly promiscuous and unsavory).

As for a male rival, I can't imagine there's much that could happen there that would still be satisfying. Like, I think he'd have to end up being his own character with his own character arc that culminates in him apologizing to main girl for being human garbage and taking advantage of her like that. Otherwise, and I think this may be more likely, he'll probably just show up, trying to get with main girl again, and get told to buzz off by either main girl or main guy. Either way, I think it needs to happen, but to what extent is up in the air.

I really hope the author doesn't go further with how far she's gone. I think we know enough about the main girl that we don't need anymore. If there is more, there needs to be a pretty good reason for it. Considering how much so many people have fought against the author's decision to take it as far as he already has, I don't think he could get away with much more (and I don't want him to).

But yes, she absolutely needs a therapist. Should have gotten one well before the story even started. That said, most people who need a therapist never get one.

That's the issue here. This is not some dumb incel thing. This woman is prostituting herself for popularity. When a guy says "yuck" to this she declares she will fuck him. When he says no again she has a mental breakdown and this turns into a weird savior complex thing. This lady has severe mental problems and a track record of fucking random people for temporary validation. She's toxic. She's relationship cyanide. She's one bad day from another classroom orgy to feel better about herself.

And you could have a character like that in a more serious drama but here it becomes a generic romcom in like 2 chapters. It's low effort.

 

[Angelonius]

The blatant misogyny in this comments section and the ratings is straight-up disgusting. What I'm hearing is a whole lot of "people can't change, she'll be a whore forever, give up now." Go. The fuck. Outside. Even I get out more than these incels. I didn't even realize that was possible.

Silence, feminist!

 

[Random_Passer-by]

Forgive me if I'm not willing to read the entirety of the comment section. I just wanted to mention how utterly jarring it is to see the FMC slowly realise she shouldn't view herself as just a piece of meat, while the fanservice encourages the reader to view her as just a piece of meat.

Ultimately, my opinion of this manga is “a swing and a miss”. A better author might have made something interesting out of this, but as it currently stands… nah.

 

[Phelgming]

Forgive me if I'm not willing to read the entirety of the comment section. I just wanted to mention how utterly jarring it is to see the FMC slowly realise she shouldn't view herself as just a piece of meat, while the fanservice encourages the reader to view her as just a piece of meat.

Ultimately, my opinion of this manga is “a swing and a miss”. A better author might have made something interesting out of this, but as it currently stands… nah.

Pretty much where I stand. Like, on the one hand a story about growth and overcoming your past experiences and on the other hand "hey everyone, look at how sexy this underage trauma victim is!"

I had high hopes for it, but it's playing out to be only okay. Still WAY better than everyone else here seems to think, but not as good as I had hoped. Just authorial mismanagement. The latest chapter (chapter 7) is what sealed it for me.

 

[Meow69420]

This is as real as it gets for what has happened in my life lol

 

[Vertryn]