I mean the women and children have already been evacuated, and I doubt the Lnu warriors would have that much interest in continuing to pursue them. So I think total extermination is already off the table.
Yeah I mean the question has always been how close are we going to hew to history though, lol, Yukimura has been perfectly happy to diverge from the records where it suits him.
I was thinking more of being freeholders; of living outside the feudal systems that dominate most of Europe (and much of Iceland) and which really means having relationships with an underlying basis of violence. That was the major motivation to go after all. They didn't come to Vinland to avoid death, but they did come because most of them were not able to achieve genuine freedom in other social milieus of the era. Though, given how things have gone, obviously it would probably be more peaceful than this.
Uh, you're talking as if everything was planned. Einar did not decide to kill someone and then went all "My hand was forced" like some super villain.
Sure, it's an understandable trauma response. But it would be healthier in the long-term for him as the person experiencing it and especially for us as readers to understand that at the end of the day, it's just not true - not in the way that he wants it to be, anyway.
I spoke a little about Einar, and a lot about the “he was forced” defense and its problems as such. As you can see from your quotation of my words, I myself said that his motivation can be understood, even if you generally consider his actions to be wrong. It just seemed to me that some people tried to justify this, although the author himself implied that Einar was traumatized by this and was looking for an excuse.
Yes, you said it better than me. I like the theory that psychologically, everyone needs to believe that they are right, so when we do objectively or even subjectively bad things, our brain tries to find a convenient explanation for this in order to resolve the moral dissonance and potential conflict because of the realization of the bad deeds we have committed. This is probably one of the explanations for the work of conscience.
And like I said earlier, I think it's important for us to remember that Einar himself knows (or at least knew) better when not under the immediate stress of battle. He knows that he "has a choice" when it comes to fighting for the colony. He thinks(thought) fighting is the right choice, but he knows full well thanks to Thorfinn that there are other choices. They're bitter, and hard, and may well fail to achieve his desired outcome - but they're there if he has the will to pursue them. He just doesn't want to. It's only when he's confronted with the full horror of what his choice truly means that he starts wanting to believe that he was just locked into this path outside of his control. A very understandable response in the moment, but a dangerous one.
If I remember correctly, from the very beginning we were shown Einar as a good but conflicted person who sincerely believes in Thorfin's philosophy, but cannot fully free himself from the traumatic experience he has endured. Perhaps this is justified by the plot in that since Thorfin plays the role of a strong-willed moral leader and messiah, we also need a more realistic character who experiences moral conflicts due to trying to be true to his rules of life in difficult conditions.
You trying to sound philosophical and thinking you're ending it on some moral victory is hilarious despite typing like a complete fucking buffoon for several pages.
It’s not that we’ve made peace a long time ago and admitted mutual misunderstanding, but why pay attention to such little things if you can just quote a random comment and offend someone! I like it, keep going.
Sorry but this part is insane to me. Like the whole arc is about how the Europeans don't understand. That is the whole reason we are here. You are acting like Europe was one of the people who had the same mindset. Man Vikings were not seen as great by 90% of Europe. Ask the English kingdoms how they felt.
Let me guess, you completely ignored my comment, where I clarify that the point was that if even our own people don’t understand them, then what’s the point about the Indians? It’s normal not to understand someone else’s words and ask for clarification. But I have a feeling that some people find it much easier to criticize you than to make sure that they understood your words correctly. And yeah, dude, don't tell me about the Vikings. I live in a country where the first statehood appeared thanks to the Swedish Vikings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik
erm, you don't mind??? looks like SOMEONE needs a lesson in media literacy, amirite folx?For a manga promoting near-Christian pacifism, Vinland Saga impressively consistently features fairly brutal and naturalistic guro battles. But I don't mind
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