Yondome wa Iya na Shizokusei Majutsushi - Ch. 60 - The Shadow That Corrupts the Slave Mine

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When Van was reincarnated, he slipped out of the others gods system into the dark goddess' system of that world. While he is still cursed, the world seems to be bending over backwards to get around said curses.
its not he slipped up but the goddess notice his soul enter Lambda(current world name), the goddess then tried to save him but unable since she really weakened and rodiot curse far to strong,thought she success made Van enter her reincarnation system and ease the burden to unlock new kind of job + no growth wall after that she gave van some of her "blood" as form of blessing to give but its swallowed up by death mana

Oh is that...
the guy who got railed by the noble orcs while possessing said girl (lol), I was wondering whatever happen to him.
Do you also happen to know if he's a friend or a foe?
he end up as Van disciple also common sense check to Van, thought i said check he more like told Van what common in human society included mage and magic human able to use and cant, since people around Van currently cant be said have common sense of human or normal mage, and no elenora indeed living in human society but largely her live as vampire so its hard to use her as CS check
 
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You know even when I was reading the novel I never understood the hate boner you guys have for him. From what I recall his involvement began and ended with subduing Darcia and it’s easy to imagine adventurers taking a commission probably aren’t privy to all the circumstances.

Always only ever saw a dude genuinely trying to atone for something he regrets. I know this is ostensibly a revenge story but I like an antagonist that isn’t just a generically evil dude.
He’s the character that I love to hate. He did 1 thing wrong and I’d wish death upon him since. Like you said a hate boner. I’ll never be satisfied until this guy have his soul shattered.

If I have to compare him to some other well known character. I’d say the Hero party from “So I'm a Spider, So What?” Especially Feirune. That school bully turn dragon and the Elf teacher who made it’s her life goal to kidnapping children from innocent parent.
 
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He’s the character that I love to hate. He did 1 thing wrong and I’d wish death upon him since. Like you said a hate boner. I’ll never be satisfied until this guy have his soul shattered.

If I have to compare him to some other well known character. I’d say the Hero party from “So I'm a Spider, So What?” Especially Feirune. That school bully turn dragon and the Elf teacher who made it’s her life goal to kidnapping children from innocent parent.
...when we meet Bellwood and the reason why alda is an insufferable dipshit, you'll hate him more. :D
 
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That's just... so not necessary... There are plenty of ways to make a great story without the need of making the character OP like this. Heck, I'd be OK with an ancient relic capable of siphoning mana from anyone who willingly gives up some of their mana, storing it all up like a compact huge power bank for the wearer to draw mana from. At least that way you could throw in scenarios where it either gets misplaced, lost, stolen, or even taken by the enemy, and now the MC & Co has to struggle to get it back.
Well, that is counter-balanced by the fact that most of MC's big damage skills required high mana usage, like in the millions for some of the skills. Plus MC heavily drains high amount of Mana later on in the series on a daily basis which wouldn't be possible without the high cap (though he also gets automatic high amount mana recovery skill later on).

Plus, the biggest reason MC has high Mana amount is to even-out the field as his primary opponents are God's, and is going to become a God himself eventually.
 
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I don't know if it means the writing is really good or really bad, but I don't feel the hatred for Hienz. Even in this chapter, when his party mates try to convince him to let go of his guilt, he never actually agrees with them. I understand why Van hates him, obviously, but I can also see his side and understand why he might not have have questioned his orders as an adventurer. At least not questioned it enough to abandon his quest before succeeding.

Maybe I need a re-read to remember the circumstances of his carrying out of the quest.

It's easy to judge as an audience with more information and perspectives, but that can lead to mistakes by assuming each character has the same level of understanding as we do.
 
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Oh is that...
the guy who got railed by the noble orcs while possessing said girl (lol), I was wondering whatever happen to him.
Do you also happen to know if he's a friend or a foe?
Yes, that's him.

Given his attitude as the chapter ends + him being sent to the mine as punishment I'm leaning on possible ally.
At least since he's witnessed Van's power first hand he definitely wouldn't want to be an enemy.
He escape into Orbaume Kingdom from Mirg Nation right after that incident. There he was roped into current succession crisis by one of the families through use of his Live-Dead puppets. He himself helped to stop it but was cut of by the same family in an effort to bury this incident out and ended up in a mine by fake charges. He actually currently should be very afraid, since he was ordered not showing up in front of him again.
He will ended up his first apprentice, loyal follower and 'head of research division'. Novel having explanation notes ant the end of the chapters about new monsters, jobs and other thing written from his POV as his notes.
Can someone spoil me about the centipede? Is it some kind of enemy's spy or innocent?
Just a normal Rank 1 Centipede monster, loyal follower of our Eldritch Abomination boy, nothing wrong with him, Yet. Only after he evolved. Future 'Dragon Eater'. And first ever Insect Beast King, there never was insect type before. All of Beast King are children/creations of Beast God Ganpaplio (one of 11 Great Gods) and he never created an insect type.
I don't know if it means the writing is really good or really bad, but I don't feel the hatred for Hienz. Even in this chapter, when his party mates try to convince him to let go of his guilt, he never actually agrees with them. I understand why Van hates him, obviously, but I can also see his side and understand why he might not have have questioned his orders as an adventurer. At least not questioned it enough to abandon his quest before succeeding.

Maybe I need a re-read to remember the circumstances of his carrying out of the quest.

It's easy to judge as an audience with more information and perspectives, but that can lead to mistakes by assuming each character has the same level of understanding as we do.
Because its only the beginning. He is highly hypocritical and latter on you will see how much of double standards he having. And don't let the 'atonement' fool you, he having high 'Hero Complex' and it necessary for his 'Atoning Hero' Ego.
Later he will get Guider type of job, partially brainwashing (similar like Van with ghosts), that will create feedback loop and convenient echo chamber for him. Since this job show its effects even before its selection condolences and encouragement from his party are from it.
But agree about writing, its troublesome. This topic is highly divisive in the community.
 
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Got it a bit backwards. Rodiot didn't remove any cheat skills, rather he prepared a bunch of them for Van/Hiroto in advance because he knew someone with a huge soul was coming, but gave them to the wrong person. Without any cheats to take up space, Van is left with a massive mana pool, a side effect of which is that destiny attempts to fuck him over at every turn. (This is explained in, like, Chapter 1 and/or 2 of the novel, I think).

If you're wondering why Van has had such a good turn of fortune as Vandalieu, it's because When his soul was traveling to Lambda to be born, Vida woke up, saw it, got reminded of Zakkart and decided to bless it with a bit of luck, so it could live a happy life. This was enough to overpower most of the "shit destiny" effect.


The reasons we hate Heinz are twofold. First, Darcia was the first nice thing to happen to Van in three (four) lifetimes.

Let's look at the facts:
  1. Life 1 (Hiroto Amamiya): Parents died when he was an infant, raised by an abusive aunt and uncle who squandered his inheritance and insurance money on themselves, denied him the most basic of necessities as "luxuries", and would beat him for the smallest thing, such as having a new pencil that a classmate gave him after seeing Hiroto's pencil box full of literal nubs. Dies trying to futilely save someone, which she doesn't even remember.
  2. Life 2 (Experiment Whatever): Sold at birth by his egg donor to a research facility, tortured and experimented on daily for twenty years, gets killed by his handler in a fit of pique, possesses and reanimates his own body with his unique new magic and stages a break from the facility along with the other experiments only to be mercilessly gunned down by the very people who were supposed to help him the moment he gets outside.
  3. Life 3 (Vandalieu): Stripped of most of his abilities and cursed to never gain power in the conventional ways, lives for one year with his new mother before said mother gets captured, tortured and executed.
    [*]Life 0 (Zakkart): Orphaned at a young age, had to work hard to make something of himself, summoned to fight in a war on another planet. The person who should be his best friend refuses to get along with him, he dies by being too much of a threat for the enemy to ignore, his soul then gets shattered by the demon king, and later on what's left gets composted by Rodcorte, along with the other soul fragments and the demon king's soul.
So, Van has gotten his first bit of happiness and unconditional love in multiple lifetimes, and the when it gets taken away from him the first thing he hears are people gassing up this "Heinz" fella as the one who caught his mother. So naturally, he swears a vendetta on the person who took away the one good thing that had ever happened to him. The whole thing is from his point of view, and all of us feel for the guy, so of course we side with him as the protagonist.

Secondly, and I had to have this explained to me as well, was meeting Selen in Orbaume, and hearing what Heinz has been doing since that night in Mirg. Van's reaction to hearing that Heinz has turned over a new leaf and begun protecting Dhampirs and their non-vampire parents as penance for what he did to Van and Darcia incurs the very logical response of "why couldn't you have come to that conclusion before you killed my mother?" And then after that, what really sealed the coffin is when, as in this chapter, Heinz went upstairs and let Edgar and Diana convince him that he was right and the vampire child was wrong because Heinz really was working to atone for his actions, and atoning nullified the crimes of his past. In that one moment, Ketchup's motivations went from atonement to sophistry, and everyone hates sophistry.

Third reason (I know I said two) is PR. Van is the protagonist, and we want him to succeed. Never mind the mental corruption, cult of personality or even the fact that in spite of those two qualities Van is a decent guy; he's the protagonist of the story, and we're reading it because we want him to succeed. Van wants to kill Heinz, so we want to seem him kill Heinz, and the story gets us into Van's head so we can understand his mindset. Or Van's mental corruption is crossing the realms of fiction and we're all twisted.

But, a certain type of person is going to like reading stories like these, where the protagonist isn't a good guy, but they still wanna see what happens. Whether they're a serial murderer (Summoned Slaughterer), a war criminal (Nidoume no Jinsei), a rapist (Redo of Healer), an amoral death god (Overlord) or whatever the hell Kazuma is, we're gonna get into their heads, and make their problems our problems for as long as we read the story, because we want them to succeed.

TL;DR We're all fucked in the head, get out while you still can.
I stand corrected, thanks! (In my defense, it's been YEARS since I started reading the novel)
 
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I don't know if it means the writing is really good or really bad, but I don't feel the hatred for Hienz. Even in this chapter, when his party mates try to convince him to let go of his guilt, he never actually agrees with them. I understand why Van hates him, obviously, but I can also see his side and understand why he might not have have questioned his orders as an adventurer. At least not questioned it enough to abandon his quest before succeeding.

Maybe I need a re-read to remember the circumstances of his carrying out of the quest.

It's easy to judge as an audience with more information and perspectives, but that can lead to mistakes by assuming each character has the same level of understanding as we do.
Heinz in the novel later comes as an hypocritical idiot, he made the Alda's peaceful faction aimed to protect all of Vida's races, this of course doesn't fully follow on it because he still went around destroying settlements of ghouls and such, nobles only wishing to accept this faction to be closer to the hero Heinz, and later comes to accept that the only way to atone is to get killed by Vandallieu as what he's done is unforgivable (he walks back from the settlement between him and van because of the demon lord fragments but still plans to fight Van later on so he can get killed by him).
He later goes to release Bellwood from a seal of an Evil God that was tormenting the old hero by making him relive all of his mistakes and sins over and over again, by telling him "It couldn't be helped" (or something along those lines).
 
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Seriously, 300M+ mana is ridiculous, especially for someone that was supposed to practically die on birth or shortly thereafter.
The God had nerfed him so much he basically had nill chance of surviving for very long, and was born to a family that was already close to being killed, meaning the God basically designed it so he was supposed to die in the crib.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying reading the manga and look forward to each translate releas, but still, that's just seriously ridiculous...
Mana is tied to the soul so its not like bargain bin god had much of an influence
 
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If you think it's ridiculous now, just wait until later on.
Last I remember from the novel (approx. chapter 290), it was around
10,000,000,000 Mana

Not sure about the latest chapters,
Dropped the novel cause the translator's a hack.
That isn't even his final form... At the series end Vandalieu can make the Zeno from Dragon ball super tremble at his mere name.
 

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