Moto Ansatsusha, Tensei Shite Kizoku no Reijou ni Narimashita - Vol. 1 Ch. 6.2 - The Two Princes (2)

[JACGohu]

Pretty sure it's just a roundabout way of saying "normally a noble wouldn't immediately flee and become a commoner, this course of action just makes you suspicious."

I agree with this. And because of this, I don't think he actually recognized her from her previous life, or even considered reincarnation at all. The more obvious reason would be, this Prince is simply smarter than his "stupid brother". He's very observant, and thinks. This is a conclusion he came to after witnessing a Duke's daughter willingly doing something physical like jumping out of a window, and sticking the landing that well, whilst wearing a dress. Never mind bringing only a single servant. She's not some sheltered, spoiled girl, like the others he's met until now.

 

[JACGohu]

"no noble daughter can change her own clothes"

Does the author have a thing for horrible dialog? Every other dialog feels as if the characters brain has just left the universe. Sigh

Such a nice premise ruined by subpar writing.

You do remember this manga is translated, right? And that it's not uncommon for translators to mess up sometimes?

Of course if someone who actually speaks and reads Japanese read the original raws and can say for certain what was said, I'm willing to listen.

 

[lordb1]

Had hoped she would successfully bail on her family, don’t want to see the stupidity of that mother any more.

She's still first in line for it, especially if her sister becomes queen. The father is in charge and he will choose his hire whether it be her or whoever she marries.

 

[Nhytfall]

Here we are reminded of Serena's character flaw, she is so set in her old ways that she was unable to adjust to her current environment. It is like a dichotomy that she is a hard-boiled assassin while being so guileless. She was a good assassin but she would make a terrible spy.

you could say a fish out of water

 

[rluka]

You do remember this manga is translated, right? And that it's not uncommon for translators to mess up sometimes?

Of course if someone who actually speaks and reads Japanese read the original raws and can say for certain what was said, I'm willing to listen.

Words order and phrasing aside, it's mostly that. Evan said ladies can't even change clothes themselves.
He's just giving an example to point out Serena doesn't actually know what kind of creature this noble lady thing she's pretending to be.

For Serena, while abandoning her house means she lose all the convenience, she'll live. She can always start a new life.
But normal ladies would react like Rosemary when Alto or Serena suggest her return to being a commoner. It's a death sentence because living without all the privilege and facilities is too much.

 

[Aus143]

These are my thoughts too, this chapter pretty much confirms both of them were reincarnated. Im curious as to what’s going to happen between the two of them now. Will love spark between the two against all odds? Will they be at each other’s throats once again? Will they work together to keep the kingdom from falling apart at the seams? All you can do is wait till the next episode same bat time,

These are my thoughts too, this chapter pretty much confirms both of them were reincarnated. Im curious as to what’s going to happen between the two of them now. Will love spark between the two against all odds? Will they be at each other’s throats once again? Will they work together to keep the kingdom from falling apart at the seams? All you can do is wait till the next episode same bat time, same bat channel!

Hope there isn’t romance with the blonde dude. Don’t like his personality

 

[JACGohu]

Words order and phrasing aside, it's mostly that. Evan said ladies can't even change clothes themselves.
He's just giving an example to point out Serena doesn't actually know what kind of creature this noble lady thing she's pretending to be.

For Serena, while abandoning her house means she lose all the convenience, she'll live. She can always start a new life.
But normal ladies would react like Rosemary when Alto or Serena suggest her return to being a commoner. It's a death sentence because living without all the privilege and facilities is too much.

I said as much in one of my other replies to a different comment. My remark was just that; sometimes the phrasing turns out that way simply because of translation, not the original author. However if that's really what the author said, and someone who actually understands and speaks Japanese can tell me so, I'm willing to listen.

 

[SS_TT]

You do remember this manga is translated, right? And that it's not uncommon for translators to mess up sometimes?

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I love hearing how much my passion projects are appreciated, specially by people who knows more Japanese than me and has gone through all the source and at the very least used google translate o verify themselves before leaving such a comment.

 

[JustSomeAlien]

Hope there isn’t romance with the blonde dude. Don’t like his personality

Honestly same, just said it as a possibility

 

[Pyglew]

The second she agreed to join the prince, I could already tell that this manga is going to turn to shit. She's made out to be this smart and rational character but instantly caves to the prince despite not being under any pressure, knowing full well she's going to be involved in the succession war. Her family doesn't like or care about her in any real sense either.

As for keeping her life of luxury, she's an assassin. She has to be paid very well and with her skills she can just steal gold in addition to killing her target with little effort. She should never be starved for money. She'll still be served by her butler. It's not such a drastic downgrade in lifestyle, especially when compared to her past life.

Regarding the possible reincarnation of the prince, I don't think it really matters, if anything getting tangled with the prince makes her life more complicated.

I'm not at the point of dropping it yet but I'm going to give it 1-2 chapters.

 

[Khazar123]

If taking explanation from other titles, there was logic in it though. The character design had more simple clothes design, but there were time when the fashion of rich peoples are simply impossible to wear on your own.
You'll need help to put them on, such as the weight itself, the tying up ribbons and belts, parts you need to have someone else holding it up while another person attach it in place. Can't be done with two hands and normal human's body flexibility.
So having servants helping became the normal and they never thought of doing it on their own.

Which makes no sense since she wants to live as a commoner.

You guys explaining the "common sense" of this totally realistic timepiece does not make this line make any sense.

 

[Khazar123]

To be fair here, he isn't wrong, the only time I've ever seen a noble character change their own clothes was either A. They're the main character or B. They have a modern person soul isekai-ed into them (Which is just the A point but with an extra step)

Also, "no noble daughter can change her own clothes" this is not the author's words, they might have written something similiar to that, but those exact words aren't their, those are the translator's words, so if you have a problem with it, then take it up with the translating group. At least try to identify the one that's responsible for the problem correctly, geez.

This manga is barely detailed enough to show us how people got from A to B, so that isn't really a great point.

Also fancy clothes naturally are hard to wear on your own, heck my wife even needs some help for some dresses/clothes she wears today.
But again FMC wants to live as a commoner, she couldn't care less about nobles clothes and she even brought an attendent.

This whole bit was the prince saying that he was suspicious of her attitude, the way to get there is riddled with nonsense.

Unless you can prove me otherwise it will be at least 50/50 the authors fault. Someone from the WN faction didn't deny the line from happening, so I'm gonna assume a similar line was uttered.

I can use author/TL if ya want, but that's all it's gonna be.

 

[Khazar123]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I love hearing how much my passion projects are appreciated, specially by people who knows more Japanese than me and has gone through all the source and at the very least used google translate o verify themselves before leaving such a comment.

It's just time investment and premise cope.

People like the premise and are invested with the time they read this and the emotions they felt, which then turns into a defence mechanism of the authors work.

Sometimes that also extends to the middle man, but it's more rare.

Hell my comment about the stupid line got emoted to oblivion and yet the best argument was "this line is supposed to tell us the prince is suspicious of her".... Yeah no Shiz Sherlock it still makes no sense in the argument of her becoming a commoner: With an Attendent right there with her!

 

[hsun]

I can imagine Rose(bud)mary going to whining again after hearing rumour that Serena with the first prince.

 

[rluka]

This whole bit was the prince saying that he was suspicious of her attitude, the way to get there is riddled with nonsense.

Correct me if I'm wrong... so your issue in this part is how they choose to talk about it in indirect manner? Instead of just throwing bare and to-the-point words.
Because this part is actually not that bad.

The weak part in this series is how it need convenient happening (such as Serena's mother keep making bad decision) to help the plot moves. The complaints about that is not baseless.
While the other common complaints is the usual wanting characters who doesn't restrain from "showing them who's the boss" attitude and swiftly fix the root of the problem, which it doesn't.

 

[Khazar123]

Correct me if I'm wrong... so your issue in this part is how they choose to talk about it in indirect manner? Instead of just throwing bare and to-the-point words.
Because this part is actually not that bad.

It's basically unimportant dialog that solely points to "first prince thinks she is suspicious" and it hammers that point home, which he even outright states, so yeah nothing roundabout it at all.

The WN version of this might've been better, but how it's presented here is just awkward, it feels like 2 dialogs mixed together.

"I want to be a commoner"
"Lol you're not a normal noble, you're suspicious, do you even lady bro..."

 

[Ann2004]

This manga is barely detailed enough to show us how people got from A to B, so that isn't really a great point.

Also fancy clothes naturally are hard to wear on your own, heck my wife even needs some help for some dresses/clothes she wears today.
But again FMC wants to live as a commoner, she couldn't care less about nobles clothes and she even brought an attendent.

This whole bit was the prince saying that he was suspicious of her attitude, the way to get there is riddled with nonsense.

Unless you can prove me otherwise it will be at least 50/50 the authors fault. Someone from the WN faction didn't deny the line from happening, so I'm gonna assume a similar line was uttered.

I can use author/TL if ya want, but that's all it's gonna be.

Ok so, I don't even know what your first line was talking so I'm going to guess that you got it mixed up with another comment.

I don't even know what you're trying to say with your second and third line, like, am I wrong? FMC is the main character, she doesn't care about the noble status, much less what they wear, therefore she wears easy to wear, not too fancy clothes. I just said that the guy's point wasn't wrong since a normal noble would wear clothes that are too fancy and thus won't be able to wear it themselves, what're you picking on it for?

And ok, the wording on my second point was a bit harsh and might have given you the wrong idea, the guy, whom I was replying to, didn't like the line that the translating group used and then blamed the author for it. So I tell him to complain to the correct people, if the group had used the exact translation, which suck btw, and the guy complained, then sure, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Even you said a similiar line was written by the author, sure it's similiar, but it wasn't the same. To put it in an easier way to understand, let's say you invented a new dish, some people then try to cook that dish to sell but they twisted it just a bit so the dish would be easier for the customers to eat, some guys don't like that version of the dish and they says the dish you invented sucks, even though they're eating the seller's version of your dish, not your exact, original dish that you made yourself, how would you feel then?

 

[Fushiginiku]

Damn! That V2 cover

My reaction was pretty much, "Well that escalated quickly!"

 

[Khazar123]

Ok so, I don't even know what your first line was talking so I'm going to guess that you got it mixed up with another comment.

I don't even know what you're trying to say with your second and third line, like, am I wrong? FMC is the main character, she doesn't care about the noble status, much less what they wear, therefore she wears easy to wear, not too fancy clothes. I just said that the guy's point wasn't wrong since a normal noble would wear clothes that are too fancy and thus won't be able to wear it themselves, what're you picking on it for?

And ok, the wording on my second point was a bit harsh and might have given you the wrong idea, the guy, whom I was replying to, didn't like the line that the translating group used and then blamed the author for it. So I tell him to complain to the correct people, if the group had used the exact translation, which suck btw, and the guy complained, then sure, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Even you said a similiar line was written by the author, sure it's similiar, but it wasn't the same. To put it in an easier way to understand, let's say you invented a new dish, some people then try to cook that dish to sell but they twisted it just a bit so the dish would be easier for the customers to eat, some guys don't like that version of the dish and they says the dish you invented sucks, even though they're eating the seller's version of your dish, not your exact, original dish that you made yourself, how would you feel then?

The prince is talking about how suspicious she is, his dialog might make it seem he cares about her commoner wants, but nothing he says makes any sense to that point and instead all he states is to the purpose of "you're suspicious, what you're trying to be a lady for"

FMC is talking about wanting to become a commoner and wanting to end things as a noble.

This feels like 2 dialogs mixed into one, I would guess the WN handled it better(I guess you can check the scene posted in spoiler tag from the WN above by someone else), but here it feels like a botched shortening attempt.

I honestly can't be bothered about the TL/Author debate.
I'm already giving the author the benefit of the doubt of doing a better job in the WN, which as a Manga Reader is not my job, I'm here to enjoy things I'm presented (either by them being so bad they're hilarious, or by them actually being good) and not imaginary scenarios.

Whether it's a botched TL or a botched transfer of media, in the end the result is the same: baffling numbness from this dialog.

 

[Aztecreader]

Butler ones are more when the male is the protag/shared protag isnt it? When the female is protag it's generally prince this royal that.

Yea as a love interest that annoys them. But then they have the butler who is everything they want and does everything cause of pure love for the female protag.

I've been going through love/drama/villainous stories lately and it's always a butler who falls madly in love with the Isekai or the person who gets reborn.