Koushaku Reijou no Tashinami - Vol. 7 Ch. 55

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@Xeredge In the beginning of the chapter she was complaining there aren't enough people to handle all the work. And now you are saying she shouldn't get back those competent workers if she can? As long as they abandoned their work for a reason that's not opposing the benefit of the fief (as far as they believed), it's perfectly okay to pardon them once. The thing here is that those employees thought Iris betrayed them. So, they didn't abandon their posts because they would have worked, knowingly, for the enemy, more like the opposite. In fact, after this experience, they might become all the better officials, having grown wiser and less naive.

Your stance is that of an autocrat who only cares about his own persona, while Iris's first priority is to make the fief prosper.
 
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yo, threatening your citizen with implied violence is not ok, good intention extremist feudal lady booo!
 
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@TheDragonLord Thanks for your post, that was a very interesting read. Re. soap operas, I also think an amount of plot cliches/tropes in Chinese/Korean webtoons are directly lifted from soap operas. Like the scheming concubines of a Chinese palace drama, or the contract relationships of a Korean drama.
 
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They're not workers employed by some modern company; they're commoners/nobles serving a great noble house. Their act is treasonous, and needless to mention the kind of punishment that comes with that crime. Their reason for MC's church denouncement is moot, since the church was royally and publicly screwed for the stunt they tried to pull.

This is a medieval fantasy, not modern times, and they acted in direct rebellion against their ruling lord, whose house holds the highest authority in the kingdom below that of the king. This chapter is just blah blah soft idealistic modern drama.

Also, IRL medieval times, while women have lower positions and such, it is common for the wife of the lord to be entirely in charge of the estate/land while the lord is away. In other words, acting lord, like MC here. So, higher ranking noble ladies, especially those with territories, hold more authority than such fiction usually portrays.
 
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@Red225 There are actually multiple accounts of that happening in history, notably amongst the class of serfs which were essentially slaves in all but in name, but in this case they aren't serfs at all. These are people who vulntarily pledged their services tot he betterment of the fief, volunteers yes, but in a time where you are either worth currency or your word, and they went against their word, which is honestly is more damning than money. Likewise, the modern equilivancy of being fired doesn't go with this at all. Being fired means she herself signed on them to be dismissed, this work abandonment, of the highest degree. Granted, the issues of the church are at hand, and honestly she did understand the issue of their leaving once she was explained why, or at least explained by one who had an answer for why. But their abandonment of work, especially where one is key in the prosperity of the fief would be if a city's wastemanagment workers walked off their jobs because their boss got ridiculed by the media. While understandable, you've left key infastructure vulernable, and if you thought that you were working for the prosperity of the land, its kind of a catch 22. Those who stayed and those who left were gambling, in this case, those who stayed won, those who left barely survived by the skin of their teeth.

@Kaiser92 Well that depends on your viewership on society. Do people work better with carrots only, sticks only, or a combination of the two. In this story, it argues that both are needed, be merciful when needed, but show a strong hand if need be. Likewise, one would say they almost lost their status as citizens by desserting, which by and large, means you have went against a contract you have agreed upon. This dessertion may as well have been a slap to her face, especially with how it was key positions that were left, and to be honest, by showing their rather capacity to dessert, shows they are untrustworthy. And why would you want untrustworthy people to be under your employ?
 
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Punishing them would leave her with no manpower and probably a worse PR than she already have. They were against her when the church questioned her, imagine if suddenly they lose their jobs and their titles. It will cause a riot! And imagine the political opposition that would make use of the situations.
Sure she can punish them for insubordination, but is it the best idea? It's a dimly lit fire, but adding a fuel to it can cause it to burn even more and spread.
 
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@sdarkpaladin I think she might have been visiting her dad's dad's grave? Since its immediately followed by how meek the previous Lord was. So her mum's dad should still be alive.
 
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@sdarkpaladin I think the guy from the earlier chapters was the mother's father, and the grave is for her father's father.
 
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Just leaving your job without resignation? That'd be a break of job contract. Why shouldn't those people be punished or reprimanded then? There there many cases of a death sentences when one deserts the army.
 
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@monkey123 Reprimands is not exactly punishment, especially if they are in fact free to leave. Breach of contract is a tort and requires compensation, not punishment.

And, ah yes, are you advocating the death sentence for *checks notes* not filing drudge paperwork? Yes, what a paragon of nobility you are.

@UnluckyGrape So... "there were cases of things like this happening, where people were being treated like slaves". That's not exactly a thrilling statement of how employee matters should be handled. If Iris wanted to do things old school, she could have just married some rich knight who mismanages his land and dies off in some war somewhere and then be annexed by some other fief.

Iris can't afford to lose these folks right this moment, and trying to punitively punish them severely would have them physically trying to escape or mismanaging their work to embezzle funds to escape. Would you want to work under a boss who would execute you rather than see you leave? Would that pick up talent from all over? Or would you have to hunt down talent and forcefully abduct it and bring it home at that point?

Now, you can potentially stop them from running by threatening to ruin their reputations so no-one will hire them. That's absolutely fair game. But most of the suggestions sound like they'd be very much counterproductive to the short term goal of "having an immediate workforce that will do a good job" and the longer term goal of "having a good workforce that will benefit the land and speak well about Iris".

Of course, if someone speaks up badly about the fief, quietly assassinating them would be fine. But not for use as object lessons.
 
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I see you must be hating your job and just interpret our comments the way you want. If all people had your mindset, then systems would collapse quickly.
 
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@monkey123 what would you suggest? Whipping them? Cutting off their heads and hanging them on the wall as a warning to all else who might leave your employ? Threatening their loved ones with painful torture if they ever try leaving?

It's hard to pin down talent with force. It breeds hostility and fear. If someone wrongs you and you want them gone, any punishment is fine. But if you want to actually use that person again, you have to have leverage.
 
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I'm not happy with this resolution. They abandoned their posts, knowing that doing so does the opposite of serving the people or whatever they claim to be all about, and all they got in return was a speech? Idk, abandoning your work place without leave to protest is definitely okay, however continuing to be absent even after the issues resolved themselves is extremely unprofessional and probably not in agreement with the law.

Thanks for the update!
 

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