Madougushi Dahliya wa Utsumukanai: Kyou Kara Jiyuu na Shokunin Life - Vol. 1 Ch. 3
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Well that’s cause you were pushing her down even when you knew that’s not right. What’s the use of acting all sore and hurt when he’s the one who did most of the damage. Yes, she’s dense but he could’ve talked it the heck out. Also, didn’t he mention right there that he was planning to subdue and use her from the very beginning😤
Dahliya really dodged a bullet there
Dahliya really dodged a bullet there
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Tobias is still an asshole, period. Idk how some scenes in this chapter managed to get sympathy from some readers but it's clear that his intention was never good in the first place. Sure he's not a villain per se and Dahlia didn't make it work from her end, but guess what, all relationships have its rough parts. Dahlia didn't even put the blame of their relationship on Tobias and move on maturely, accepting that it can't be helped. On the other hand, Tobias really blamed everything on Dahlia, even his own failures and insecurities, and did many other things that apparently weren't out of good intentions towards Dahlia. Tobias needs to be held accountable for his decisions and actions without any excuse like he's just a human (like so are crimelords but that doesn't make it okay) whatsoever.
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@mukiex you're thinking of the other adaptation, this one doesn't have that subtitle.
@rayster A "sympathtic villain" is not someone you feel sympathy for, but rather that you understand the reasons behind their actions (people often confuse sympathetic with sympathy, but it's not the same). It doesn't have to make you like them more, heck it can make you hate them more, but the understanding that he's not just some evil villain but is actually all too human and just as weak to human vices as the next I think really makes him a solid, if hateable, character.
@rayster A "sympathtic villain" is not someone you feel sympathy for, but rather that you understand the reasons behind their actions (people often confuse sympathetic with sympathy, but it's not the same). It doesn't have to make you like them more, heck it can make you hate them more, but the understanding that he's not just some evil villain but is actually all too human and just as weak to human vices as the next I think really makes him a solid, if hateable, character.
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@Solistia , Thanks for the knowledge sharing, my mistake for using the wrong term.
Though my comment wasn't about me having issue with Tobias having a backstory, it's quite the opposite actually, because I'd rather have a more multi-dimentional character than a plain one. He's a human capable of being negative and awful, just like real life. My comment was about some comments were like giving him an excuse based on his backstory that talks about how he tried to do something or how Dahlia made him feel inferior etc as if to lessen the hate the character deserves. No matter the reasons behind his decisions and actions, they did not make what he did okay in any sense as if he's "pushed" to the point to make such decisions. It'd be more understandable if he just broke the engagement out from this loveless arranged marriage, but no he went ahead manipulated, threatened, cheated, etc shamelessly and expected people to just let him be. Such assholes usually got away mainly because of people around them enabling and making excuses for them. The situation hits kinda close to home for me because Tobias reminds me of someone who hurt a close relative of mine and caused years of emotional and family issues to the relative, and guess what he got away, because people around him just closed one eye and enabled it, parts of his social circles even encouraged him to cheat, wtf. Anyway, I'm done ranting lol. Sigh
Though my comment wasn't about me having issue with Tobias having a backstory, it's quite the opposite actually, because I'd rather have a more multi-dimentional character than a plain one. He's a human capable of being negative and awful, just like real life. My comment was about some comments were like giving him an excuse based on his backstory that talks about how he tried to do something or how Dahlia made him feel inferior etc as if to lessen the hate the character deserves. No matter the reasons behind his decisions and actions, they did not make what he did okay in any sense as if he's "pushed" to the point to make such decisions. It'd be more understandable if he just broke the engagement out from this loveless arranged marriage, but no he went ahead manipulated, threatened, cheated, etc shamelessly and expected people to just let him be. Such assholes usually got away mainly because of people around them enabling and making excuses for them. The situation hits kinda close to home for me because Tobias reminds me of someone who hurt a close relative of mine and caused years of emotional and family issues to the relative, and guess what he got away, because people around him just closed one eye and enabled it, parts of his social circles even encouraged him to cheat, wtf. Anyway, I'm done ranting lol. Sigh
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@ibri
no it's not something morally wrong, I never said it was moral failing either but it didn't stop the fact that Dahlia have a portion on their failed relationship. Most people here just turn blind to that and solely put the blame on Tobias and that's so shallow, since the author himself trying to convey that's their relationship disaster is not as simple as good vs bad things, it's complicated.
Dahlia is trying to be a perfect wife and her intention is good but like I said, a good intention isn't always have a good outcome.
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yeah that's why I said I just comment on their relationship issue, for his other act like the copyright and house incident he's totally in the wrong side and deserve a good punch for it.
no it's not something morally wrong, I never said it was moral failing either but it didn't stop the fact that Dahlia have a portion on their failed relationship. Most people here just turn blind to that and solely put the blame on Tobias and that's so shallow, since the author himself trying to convey that's their relationship disaster is not as simple as good vs bad things, it's complicated.
Dahlia is trying to be a perfect wife and her intention is good but like I said, a good intention isn't always have a good outcome.
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yeah that's why I said I just comment on their relationship issue, for his other act like the copyright and house incident he's totally in the wrong side and deserve a good punch for it.
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Just in case some people thinking that I'm supporting Tobias action, I did not.
What he did is totally not right, he's not giving a good effort to maintain their relationship and even cheat on her, total douchebag. But I just want people to realize that there's a portion of Dahlia action in their failed relationship, the author trying to put the story as realistic as possible yet many people trying to made Dahlia into a perfect mary-sue character, it's a bit sad.
What he did is totally not right, he's not giving a good effort to maintain their relationship and even cheat on her, total douchebag. But I just want people to realize that there's a portion of Dahlia action in their failed relationship, the author trying to put the story as realistic as possible yet many people trying to made Dahlia into a perfect mary-sue character, it's a bit sad.
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I know how I feel about him. He's a selfish fuck of a man who reminds me enough of my friend's ex-husband that I hate him more now than I did when I first MTLed this part of the novel. 🤬
Like he doesn't regret cheating on her or the last minute annulment, he only gives a shit that he experiences consequences. He's upset about losing out on his good name and he feels emasculated by her intelligence and success. He spent like two years focused on controlling her in order to feel some satisfaction. Even wanting to comfort her after her father's death has more to do with wanting to feel like he's in a better position (if she needs him and he is her support, that's at least one thing she is weak with and that he's the secure and necessary part).
I don't know what the fuck that smile was about because it isn't like he ever had romantic feelings for her. He just wanted her to be a competent partner who allowed him to shine, but she shined brighter than he ever could and he couldn't deal with it, so.
I know how I feel about him. He's a selfish fuck of a man who reminds me enough of my friend's ex-husband that I hate him more now than I did when I first MTLed this part of the novel. 🤬
Like he doesn't regret cheating on her or the last minute annulment, he only gives a shit that he experiences consequences. He's upset about losing out on his good name and he feels emasculated by her intelligence and success. He spent like two years focused on controlling her in order to feel some satisfaction. Even wanting to comfort her after her father's death has more to do with wanting to feel like he's in a better position (if she needs him and he is her support, that's at least one thing she is weak with and that he's the secure and necessary part).
I don't know what the fuck that smile was about because it isn't like he ever had romantic feelings for her. He just wanted her to be a competent partner who allowed him to shine, but she shined brighter than he ever could and he couldn't deal with it, so.
He's going to regret his choices soon enough when his noble background lover can't transform herself into a housewife who keeps house to satisfaction. The jerk.
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HOLY SHIT! "We will no longer be doing business with you"? SHE HAS YOU BY THE BALLS FOR FRAUD AND IS GIVING YOU AN OUT! Just what would that do to the reputation of your precious company, HMMMM?!
I actually feel bad for that receptionist he hooked up with, his idea of marital bliss is awfully onesided. There is honestly a very good reason here that he never rose above "fellow senior apprentice".
@mmonstra the smile is probably a closure thing.
I actually feel bad for that receptionist he hooked up with, his idea of marital bliss is awfully onesided. There is honestly a very good reason here that he never rose above "fellow senior apprentice".
@mmonstra the smile is probably a closure thing.
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Looking at all his petty insecurities...
This writer sure knows how to rustle our jimmies, because of that sonuvabitch fuckboy Tobias...still a constant thorn in the side. Every chapter he's in, every single page--I hate him even more than last time. She needs to sue him to high noon for all damages and trying to commit fraud/purgery.
He basically declared war...shooting first with that threat to cease business with her. Good. She didn't need his family's firm anyway, which she saved from going under in the past. I hope the guild cuts him off too due to him constantly ruining his own reputation over and over again.
I like how level-headed Dahliya is throughout; because If I were in her shoes...well, Tobias better be careful traveling alone at night, as I hear there are bandits and hungry dragons about that can take down even the strongest of men-at-arms.
This writer sure knows how to rustle our jimmies, because of that sonuvabitch fuckboy Tobias...still a constant thorn in the side. Every chapter he's in, every single page--I hate him even more than last time. She needs to sue him to high noon for all damages and trying to commit fraud/purgery.
He basically declared war...shooting first with that threat to cease business with her. Good. She didn't need his family's firm anyway, which she saved from going under in the past. I hope the guild cuts him off too due to him constantly ruining his own reputation over and over again.
I like how level-headed Dahliya is throughout; because If I were in her shoes...well, Tobias better be careful traveling alone at night, as I hear there are bandits and hungry dragons about that can take down even the strongest of men-at-arms.
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I feel you on this hitting close and being, ya know, absolutely pissed that people are trying to shift blame on Dahliya to make Tobias seem like less of a complete fucking douche.
His controlling and manipulative behavior cannot be seen as separate from their relationship falling apart. Like you cannot be open and vulnerable with an emotionally and financially abusive and controlling partner and expect that to make things work. There was nothing that Dahliya could have done that would have saved that relationship because its dissolution rested entirely on Tobias' shoulders. That's just the facts.
Being able to see his perspective makes him feel like a more understandable human, but it doesn't make him any less despicable and people who are trying to go all EVERY STORY HAS A SIDE make me want to pull my hair out.
I feel you on this hitting close and being, ya know, absolutely pissed that people are trying to shift blame on Dahliya to make Tobias seem like less of a complete fucking douche.
His controlling and manipulative behavior cannot be seen as separate from their relationship falling apart. Like you cannot be open and vulnerable with an emotionally and financially abusive and controlling partner and expect that to make things work. There was nothing that Dahliya could have done that would have saved that relationship because its dissolution rested entirely on Tobias' shoulders. That's just the facts.
Being able to see his perspective makes him feel like a more understandable human, but it doesn't make him any less despicable and people who are trying to go all EVERY STORY HAS A SIDE make me want to pull my hair out.
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